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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12:33 PM

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    I'm happy to see more diesels in the US, but unless someone starts marketing them down range a bit, then i just don't get it. You're seriously advocating the 335d? It's $50K without options; over $60K to get it nice, and even then, you wind up with an automatic that won't keep pace with the 335i. Nice torque; that's cool. But the entire point of the plant is fuel economy. Let me have the 2.0l diesel with a stick in a light weight 3 series for less than $35K!
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    08:45 AM

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    Why no LS9? That's a fantastic engine. Driven gently, it delivers better fuel mileage in the 'Vette than my Subie ever does. And yes, I drive the Subie gently too. Damn brick.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    08:23 AM

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    Hyundai's V8 is nice and all, but the pair of cylinders closest to the front of the car don't work and play well with others. They'd rather be in a Chinese car.

    The torque range on the ecoBoost blows me away.
    (Project lead) "I want 350 ft-lbs of torque. Can you do that?"
    (Engineer) "Sure. Where on the rev range do you want it?"
    (Waves indistinctly) "Anywhere."
    (Engineer shrugs) "Okey-dokey."
    Also: +1 for timing chains.

    The VW 2.0 Turbo is a fun engine. I drove it. It drives bigger than it is. Yowzah.

    A Chevy getting 32mpg used to be impressive. Now it's Chevy's sport-cute delivering 32mpg, and it's not as small as the sport-cutes used to be. Frankly, I'm damned impressed. My car won't do that, not even close, and it doesn't make nearly as much power, either.
    Damned impressed.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12:13 AM

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    No VQ? Wow...
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    02:21 AM

    @VeeArrrSix: Hey, you should be happy. There's three VAG engines in there.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12:56 PM

    @Pessimippopotamus: So true, the silver lining as it were. The VQ is just so versatile and well tenured on the list I was surprised.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/09/09

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    I must protest. 7 of 10 engines on this list wear hats. I detest engine hats. Especially in an article which is advertised as Engin Pr0n.

    DEATH TO ENGINE HATS!
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    Image of Lost in the age of Aerostar Lost in the age of Aerostar
    03:00 AM

    @DoctorNine: +1,000,000

    but then again, was the last time you saw an engine that looked like this one.....
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    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    03:07 AM

    @Lost in the age of Aerostar: Or this one.
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    Image of JayBrizzle JayBrizzle
    04:26 AM

    @Lost in the age of Aerostar: Yeah that was a sweet ass engine.
    Manufacturer: Yamaha Motor Corporation
    Production: 1989–1995
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    Image of rickerbr rickerbr
    06:14 AM

    @DoctorNine: Actually at least 9/10, both of the VW 4 Cyls have hats, just not pictured with them. The air filter box in in the hat for the 2.0T.
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    07:16 AM

    @DoctorNine: I may have to pick up the DEATH TO ENGINE HATS! battle cry.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    07:24 AM

    @rickerbr: Yeah, but like all GOOD pr0n artistes, they had the sense to REMOVE them before the photo shoot...
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    07:25 AM

    @JayBrizzle: Makes you feel all squiggly inside, doesn't it?
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    07:34 AM

    @Maymar: Come the revolution.. etc.
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    08:31 AM

    @Lost in the age of Aerostar: I was hoping someone would post that. You open the hood and find...a nest of mating metal snakes! Who wouldn't want that in the engine room? Animal lust, harnessed for your personal use!
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    Image of Frisco Fairlane500 Frisco Fairlane500
    10:41 AM

    @DoctorNine: When did designers and the public start saying "Like, eeeew, engines are GROSS! Can you like, cover that hideous thing up with a giant flat slab of pretty plastic?"

    Or is there some reason that manufacturers want it to seem like a total mystery as to what is powering the car? "Hey, what's under there? DONT LOOK! It's a genie and he is f*cking angry."

    Dear car makers: I (we) think engines look cool and we would like to see them. Nobody likes your stupid plastic covers, so stop putting them on. What, is this the victorian era of underhood design? Next thing you know there will just be another hood under the hood when you open the hood.
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    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    12/09/09

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    A Prius hybrid mill is not "engineporn". It's more like engine abstinence
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    12:47 AM

    @evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars: More like deterrent, not just abstinence.
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    12/09/09

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    Anyone who buys a 3-series with an engine other than the diesel is sick in the head? Those are strong words when, by most accounts, the pairing of gas I6s (remember, one's twin-turboed) and the M's V8 are pretty stellar engines, and you can get it with a stick. I mean, as an engine, BMW's diesel makes me weak in the knees (425lb-ft can do strong things to me, especially at 23/36mpg), but the way you have to take it isn't perfect. Now, there's no other engine you should take in an X5 (although you shouldn't take an X5).

    I am disappointed in the ecoweenieism that picked the naturally aspirated Ecotec over the direct injected turbocharged version (which also makes more power and torque than VW's equivalent).
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12:12 AM

    @Maymar: Not to really disagree with you as the I6 and the I6 TT are absolutely stellar... but a friend of mine just picked up a 335d and took me for a drive recently. The way the torque pushes you back in the seat is mind numbing...
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    07:04 AM

    @VeeArrrSix: Like I said, I agree, it's a fantastic engine, and I don't dispute its place on this list. I'm just disputing the idea that there's something wrong with picking any of the other engines the 3-series offers - although, I would completely rock a diesel 3 with a 6-speed (I'd take a smaller engine if I had to).
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12:38 PM

    @Maymar: You can't get a manny tranny stateside with the Diesel. 425 ft/lbs of torque is to much for it apparently.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    12/09/09

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    Regarding the S4 powerplant, "... this things a monster." Do you moonlight for Ford PR? I only kid, Ben.

    As for the list, it's not bad (not great, either) although no hybrid makes my list and no way Hyundai makes the world's best V8.

    Now that Subie has solved that pesky banjo bolt issue, I'm thrilled to see their pancake's on the menu.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    01:14 AM

    @Alfisted: Mmmmmmm... pancakes.
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    12/09/09

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    Remember when this list used be about all-around good performance and engineering? When stuff like Buick's 3800, Cadillac's Northstar and the Nissan VQ series made the list every year?

    I'm not sure when Ward's fell victim to the same eco-weenie crap that's taking over the whole fucking world, but I'm sure as hell am not happy about it. I love turbo-fours, diesels and direct injection as much as anybody, I don't know how much longer I can deal with all this plug-in-hybrid, evil man-made carbon emissions will kill us all bullshit that's progressively destroying the car hobby I so dearly love.
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    Image of spuy767 spuy767
    12/09/09

    I'm pissed because I love the VQ and the 3800.
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    Image of Jono Jono
    12/09/09

    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: All the best cars have already been made, and no one can take them away from us.
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    12/09/09

    @spuy767: I know! How couldn't you? The VQ just keeps getting better and better. It's equally brilliant in FWD Altimas, the Z car and luxury Infinitis.

    And the 3800, despite being a 40+ year old pushrod, it was easily one of, if not the best V6s on the market up until 2002-2003 or so. 200 horsepower (24o w/supercharger!) and 30 MPG on regular unleaded seemed unbelievable in the '90s, but Buick pulled it off. It wasn't until Nissan and Honda started one-upping each other that the 3800 finally stopped being competitive (and I can't believe GM tried replacing it with that "High Feature" garbage). Still, there's plenty of recent-vintage, 3800-equipped big GM sedans that make good beater highway cruisers. Not bad for a once-unloved, uneven-firing, sawed-off Fireball V8.
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    12/09/09

    @Jono: While I agree with you on the former, Cash for Clunkers proved they sure as hell can take them away.
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    Image of Jono Jono
    12:15 AM

    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: Here in Australia our clunkers may clunk on with impunity, so where the bloody hell are ya!
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12:16 AM

    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: I sadly sold my Grandma's Park Avenue Ultra for like 3k a few years back at her behest. I drove it for a few weeks and could not believe the combo of power and great mileage. The same things that I love about the VR6 are the same things I loved about the Super 38.
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    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    12/09/09

    In reply to Wards Ten Best Engines For 2009: A Closer Look
    Wow, the Ford hybrid mill makes a net 191hp? That's better than I thought. I need to test one of those.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today's Dilbert A Thinly Veiled Stab At GM Management
    Wait, this is a cartoon?
    I thought it was the headline on the WSJ.
    My bad.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today's Dilbert A Thinly Veiled Stab At GM Management
    It would be accurate except that Fritz' predecessors are really the milkmaids.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today's Dilbert A Thinly Veiled Stab At GM Management
    Ultra-sarcastic humor is the best!
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    12/02/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz: I Won't Talk About Fritz But...
    FRITZ

    by

    Bob Lutz
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    12/02/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz: I Won't Talk About Fritz But...
    Fritz has let GM down and I regret those transgressions with all of my heart. He was not been true to GM’s values and the behavior GM deserves. I am not without faults and I am far short of perfect. I am dealing with GM’s behavior and business failings behind closed doors with the GM family. Those meetings should be shared by us alone.

    Although I am a kinda-known person and have made my career as a professional CEO, I have been dismayed to realize the full extent of what tabloid scrutiny really means. For the last bazillion years, GM and I have been hounded to expose intimate details of our business decisions. The stories in particular that stupid choices played any role in the car accident that is GM now were utterly false and malicious. Whitacre has always done more to support our family and shown more grace than anyone could possibly expect.
    But no matter how intense curiosity about public figures can be, there is an important and deep principle at stake which is the right to some simple, human measure of privacy. I realize there are some who don't share my view on that. But for me, the virtue of privacy is one that must be protected in matters that are intimate and within one's own company. Stupid business decisions should not require press releases and problems within a company shouldn't have to mean public confessions.
    Whatever regrets Fritz has about letting GM down have been shared with and felt by us alone. I have given this a lot of reflection and thought and I believe that there is a point at which I must stick to that principle even though it's difficult.
    We will strive to be a better company and the CEO and all might ruler that GM deserves. For all of those who have supported GM over the years, I offer my profound apology for hiring Whitacre.

    /Tigered
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    Image of hermitizer hermitizer
    12/02/09

    @lilwillie: FTW.
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