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    Image of gunluva is prepared to drop. gunluva is prepared to drop.
    12/05/09

    In reply to Daughter Of Resigned GM CEO Attacks New GM CEO On Facebook
    Uhh... what the shift am I looking at, here?
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12/04/09

    In reply to Foreign Automaker-Loving Senator's Daughter's Chevy Saved By GM OnStar
    That's it! I'm not having any kids...
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    Image of Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it
    12/04/09

    In reply to Foreign Automaker-Loving Senator's Daughter's Chevy Saved By GM OnStar
    Corker? Hell Yeah I'd Corker!
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    12/04/09

    In reply to Foreign Automaker-Loving Senator's Daughter's Chevy Saved By GM OnStar
    You Corker, you brought 'er!
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    Image of MechaMunch MechaMunch
    12/04/09

    In reply to Foreign Automaker-Loving Senator's Daughter's Chevy Saved By GM OnStar
    Maximum Bob's last marketing ploy before going back to product development:
    1. get disguise
    2. carjack the daughter of an anti-US car senator
    3. prove On-Star's usefulness
    4. tears??
    5. profit
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    Image of wojo wojo
    12/04/09

    @MechaMunch: Genuis!

    *Spelled incorrectly on purpose.
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    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    12/04/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    I subscribed for years. Loved C&D during the golden years of the 1970s. Wish I still had my copy of "Ms. Cancellation." Classic.

    Now I refuse to buy a newsstand copy. The magazine has really lost its edge, but the thing that angered me the most were the out-and-out lies that C&D continually spread about global warming science.

    I'll pay good money for independent automotive journalism, but not for sleazy propaganda from the oil industry. Let them pay for it.
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    Image of Armand Armand
    12/04/09

    @DrLemming: To be fair, the sleazy oil industry propaganda was mostly from Patrick Bedard, and he's not there anymore. C-D did bring back David E. Davis, who seems to be just as ancient and conservative as Bedard, but he's also much, much more interesting than old Pat.
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    Image of powermatic powermatic
    12/04/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    I'll subscribe when I see this:

    'Runnin' Out Of Talent: The Inside Story Of My Indy 500 Career' by P. Bedard

    Not holding my breath.
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    Image of Big Stig Big Stig
    12/04/09

    @powermatic: And I'll subscribe when I read 'Yes, My Tin Foil Hat Is Too Tight' by Csaba Csere.

    I'm not sure when Csaba and his pals devolved into cranking out the kind of humorless politically-charged bluster that's better suited for Fox and Friends, but that's when they lost me. And their pathetic attempts at redesigning the magazine make the average high school weekly newspaper look slick and sophisticated. I'll scan it while I'm shopping for European car magazines at Barnes and Noble, but I think I'll pass any other time.
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    Image of powermatic powermatic
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    Wow. So David E. Davis is both:

    a) not dead

    b) back at C&D

    Who knew? Well, back to my copy of 'Excellence'.
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    Image of doug-g doug-g
    12/03/09

    @powermatic: David E. Davis, Jr. is an arrogant turd factory. I love how he whines about how his subordinates ultimately do him in. His attempt at a "to the manor born" aura is also a riot.

    Tom McCahill (Google him, kiddies) forgot more than David E. will ever know.
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    Image of powermatic powermatic
    12/03/09

    @doug-g: What? You mean you really weren't that interested in hearing about DED's collection of custom Belgian shotguns in the pages of a car mag? How gauche!

    Conversely, Rob Walker, who actually was "to the manor born", and knew every inch of the F1 paddock that he covered for Road&Track, didn't exude a whiff of that snobbish crap.

    And AFAIK Tom McCahill was the first auto journalist to make car tests fun to read-who else measured trunk space by how many cases of beer it would hold? Great stuff.
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    12/03/09

    @powermatic: Oh, and let us not forget the time DED, Jr dedicated an entire article to a raccoon ravaging the interior of his Ferrari. Why didn't he take one of his Belgian shotguns and shoot the varmint? Probably because he was afraid he might scratch the stock!

    On McCahill. Legend has it that he once actually TRIED to roll a Corviar and couldn't. He also is responsible for the 0-60 test that is used to this day. "Uncle Tom", as he liked to be called, was my hero as a car crazy kid.
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    Image of Armand Armand
    12/04/09

    @doug-g: McCahill saying that the Sunbeam Alpine "grooves through corners with the ease of a tomahawk through a soft scalp" still strikes me as the high point of automotive journalism. Honestly, wouldn't you rather read that than "like a hot knife through butter?"
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    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    So they got rid of the whinging Aussie drongo who used to be Ed in Chief at C & D
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    Hey, at least it's still better than Motor Trend.
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    How to Read Car and Driver:
    1) Buy a Car and Driver.
    2) Open Car and Driver.
    3) Buy a Grassroots Motorsports.
    4) Open Grassroots Motorsports and place inside of previously opened Car and Driver.
    5) Read.
    6) Repeat.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    We don't just paraphrase the press release for the latest auto-fellator - we actually do the hard research.

    Burn!
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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    You mentioned the latest issue of C&D without bringing up the article of the Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys (though I see it mentioned below)

    Ok fine I have a few minutes to kill (apologies for any retyping errors.)

    From page 76, January C&D:

    Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys don't get far.

    I purchased a 1988 Peugeot 505 Turbo S to race in the 24 Hours of LeMons. My goal was to have the car ready for Arse-Freeze-Apalooza at Thunderhill the weekend after Christmas 2008.

    Two weeks before the event, we had unseasonably cold weather in Seattle. Temperatures were in the low 20s. There was alot of snow on the ground when we set out for California on Christmas morning.

    But snow wasn't the problem. The roads were bare and wet for the first 50 miles-and then we hit a patch of black ice near DePont, Washington, on I-5. Abruptly, all traction was lost. The truck and trailer began fishtailing and off we went into the ditch beside the freeway at 55 mph. We rolled at least once. The truck and trailer were totalled. My wife, Brianne, my co-driver, Alan, and I walked away with only minor bruises. The race car broke free of its tie-downs inside the trailer and went for a tumble like a drumstick in a giant bag of Shake 'n Bake. It landed on its wheels on the wall of the trailer.

    When the tow truck arrived, they had to rip the top (now a wall) off the trailer to pull out the race car. After all that, I drove the $500 Peugeot home. The only damage it sustained was a slightly wrinkled roof and some broken glass. Sadly, we didn't make it to Arse-Freeze-Apalooza, but we did make it to Goin' for Broken in Reno on Memorial Day. The weather was much better.

    Sean Green, Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys, Renton, Washington.
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    Image of tony-e30 tony-e30
    12/03/09

    @Jo Schmo: that would be DuPont, Washington.
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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    12/03/09

    @tony-e30: heh, I copied "DePont" straight from the magazine.
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    12/03/09

    @Jo Schmo: I can confirm. I subscribe, and I noticed the "DePont" in my home issue when I read it.
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    Image of solracer solracer
    12/04/09

    @Jo Schmo:
    I was in the back seat of the truck and let me tell you it came on very quick but thankfully was over just as quickly. I was totally uninjured and Sean and Brianne just had lightly banged up knees. Thankfully the Peugeot survived fine and as Sean noted he drove it home 30 miles to his shop after which we celebrated Christmas at Denny's.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/04/09

    @Jo Schmo: Dude, you're awesome.
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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    12/04/09

    @solracer: Glad everyone was ok and you guys were able to make it to another LeMons race.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    I read C&D for Ms. Goodwench.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    12/03/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: Oh, and here's what the artist Pippa Garner looks like, apparently.
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    Image of Mike Austin Mike Austin
    12/03/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: the "bra" you see is a tattoo.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    12/03/09

    @Mike Austin: It's not the bras. It's the insanely (comparatively) thin calves that draw my attention.
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    Image of Astigmatism Astigmatism
    12/03/09

    In reply to How to Read the New Car and Driver
    I can't stand it. I want to like it - I want to like C/D, and I imagine I'll subscribe until one of us dies out of loyalty built up in the 90's - but the redesign leaves me cold. It looks like Autocar, or some other European glossy.

    1. I understand the desire to front the art more by bringing the photos all the way out to the bleed lines, but it brings more attention to the layout and less to the photos. When the stories all look different, you spend more time looking _at_ them, rather than seeing simply the content.

    2. The comparison charts are a nice change, but every other stat sheet in the new issue seems to be a bunch of unformatted, teensy-tiny text dumped into the bottom of the article. Would it kill you to put each piece of data on a line and a box around it? What was wrong with that system? I can barely read it now, and I'm 29 with perfect reading eyesight.

    3. What's with sprinkling the 10Best reviews through the rest of the 10Best content? Sure it makes for a cohesive 10Best section, but who gives a sh!t when you can't follow what's in the section? It's like dumping your salad, main course and dessert into the same bowl: it may be easier to tell what's yours from your neighbor's, but that doesn't mean I want to eat it.

    4. Some of the content changes I like - particularly the changes to the Upfront section, which as you admit simply can't compete with blogs. But where is the promised "longer-form journalism" to fill in the rest? Maybe I missed something, but in the January issue I noted (1) a first drive/preview, (2) a bunch of 10Best content, (3) a single comparison test, (4) a few "short takes", and (5) some non-car content. No full Road Tests (by which I mean a full data sheet, the "thumbs up"/"thumbs down"/conclusion box, and two (used to be three) "Counterpoints). No extended essays.

    I can see what you took away, but what have you added? Where's the minivan trip to the Yukon, or the sports cars in Baja? The racing essays? Eddie, I really root for what you're doing, but as of this month the magazine looks like TTAC without the readability.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/03/09

    @Astigmatism: I don't think I could agree with you more.
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