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    Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money

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    Image of NoWireHangers NoWireHangers
    11/20/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    Then Elijah Cummings called the Big Three

    ">"chumps" and Dennis Kucinich busted a few kneecaps. Everyone took the Greyhound bus home.
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    Image of NoWireHangers NoWireHangers
    11/20/08

    @NoWireHangers: Dammit.
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    11/20/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    "Uhh, wheres MY private jet? No fair."
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    Image of Rust-MyEnemy Rust-MyEnemy
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    The top management sector of any large industry is, and always has been, insane. My father and I still propose that it should be law that the CEO of a company should be paid no more than 100 times as much as his lowest paid member of staff.


    There is no way these earnings can be justified, and the only way to limit them is by imposing a law. It's what the world needs right now.

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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    I've got the news hour on now, I just heard the clip with this guy talking...


    Amusingly, there's a moron on right now talking about _something_ (irrelevant) who just said, and I quote, "It's like 'Ghostbusters'; Where you gonna go?"


    Yeah, these people are extraordinarily out of touch.


    Back to the automakers: News Hour showed bits of an interview with Wagoner as well, and asked him pointedly how they were planning to cut costs. Now, I'm normally a pretty smart guy, but I've had about 3 beers so far tonight; thusly, my intelligence is probably about on par with the average American's. And I found myself thinking "You know, if these guys had all piled into a Sebring/Cobalt/Fusion, drove down to D.C. in jeans and polo shirts, and offered to take $1/year salaries like Iacocca did back in the 80's, you know, I might just feel compelled to hear their story." But no, fancy-pants Wagoner in his 4-figure suit, flown down on a private jet, tin cup in hand- it just doesn't sit well with me. I know all the old arguments about sunk costs, CEO time being valuable, yadda yadda yadda. But in the end, a lot does really come down to perception.


    Interestingly, the most convincing argument in support of the "bridge loan", in my mind anyway, is the national security concern. The Big Three represent a huge manufacturing base not just for consumer goods, but also for things like HumVees and other stuff that might be important if we ever find ourselves in another scuffle. You can't have a decent military, IMHO, if you can't make your own freaking tanks. How embarrassing would it be for US troops to show up in Afghanistan riding on tanks bearing the label "Made in France"? Not to mention, the first time we try to fire a shell out of one, more likely than not the ashtray door will flip open. ;-)


    Note: I'm not a neo-con, I don't favor warfare except when absolutely necessary. But sometimes, as history has shown, it is.

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    Image of Joshuman Joshuman
    11/19/08

    @mechimike: If it really comes down to it, and the current plants churning out our fighter jets and main battle tanks just can't keep up with demand, I would hope that the foreign auto plants in the states could be converted to help the war effort just as easily as the domestic plants in the north.
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/19/08

    @joshman - repeatedly clicking expand all: But where do their allegiances lie?


    To my original point, which may have been lost in my verbosity, Iacocca showed he clearly cared about making cars, about the US, and about Chrysler, when he secured their loans back in the 80's. I just don't see that sort of passion, espirit de corps, if you will, in the current crop of automaker CEOs.

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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money


    Chop 'em up! The Big Three have been poorly managed for years now, time to let them know that the American taxpayers aren't going to bail their stupid mistakes out without HUGE concessions. (That means you, UAW)

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    Better yet, borrow Bob Lutz' approach. Fly to DC with your own cold-war-era fighter jet.


    They won't question your transportation choices then!

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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    I'm surprised that Gary Ackerman actually showed up for work today:


    [www.govtrack.us]

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    Image of jjb2000 jjb2000
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    sometimes, every ONCE in a while, these congress guys get it.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    11/19/08

    @jjb2000: Once in a great while, yes.
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    Pffft, they can't all fly on the same plane, Ford only stocks Dom Perignon on theirs, and the GM guys only drink Henriot. Stupid congress guy.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    Pot, meet kettle.
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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    11/19/08

    @Deartháir: Maybe the next trip into DC should be made straddling a nuclear bomb a la "Dr Stranglove"...I'm thinkin' Mutually Assured Destruction of Congress and the Big 3 CEOs is just the answer we've been seeking.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/19/08

    @Cognitive_Friction: Great, now we're both gonna get visits from the Department of Fatherland Security.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/19/08

    @Cognitive_Friction: Also: I misread that as "Mulally Assured Destruction". Strangely, I found that much cooler.
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    Image of mikedrawcar mikedrawcar
    11/19/08

    @Deartháir: Until you mentioned it, I thought that's what it said. Definitely cooler.
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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    11/20/08

    @Pope Deartháir II of Awesome: I don't have the Nardellis to pull off a Mullaly joke
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    Image of layabout layabout
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    Get the CEO's to drive down in a Prius limo.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    11/19/08

    In reply to Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money
    The years have not been kind to Boss Hogg.
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    11/19/08

    @Mad_Science: Those damn Duke boys stressing him out.
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