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    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    10/01/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    Strange America
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    Image of Christopher Noel Christopher Noel
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    Fritz if your only going to sell this car to fleets, I might just decide NOT to buy any more GM cars. That is how much this could PISS me off. If the COPS get it, the American consumer better get it, or maybe I can figure out a way to special order one...
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    FromaBuick6 promoted this comment Christopher Noel was starred Christopher Noel was unstarred
    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    09/17/09

    @Christopher Noel: I decided to not buy GM cars a long, long time ago and nothing they do with this car is going to change that. I know I'm not the only one that thinks that and that's a big reason why the G8 bombed in the first place and why it would bomb again as a Caprice.
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    Edited by If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face at 09/17/09 5:04 PM If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was starred If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was unstarred
    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    They're only a decade late in realising that most American police forces want something powerful and RWD - i.e., "not the W-body".
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    MushyHeirloom was starred MushyHeirloom was unstarred
    Image of Adidac425 Adidac425
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    The G8 WILL LIVE!

    No on second thought- the G8 is dead

    THE G8 WILL LIVE ON AS A CAPRICE!

    No no- the G8 she is dead.

    THE G* WILL LIVE ON AS A COP CAR! YOU CAN BUY ONE WITH 200K ON THE CLOCK AT A POLICE AUCTION IN 5 YEARS!

    So what next? Evil Fritz will screw us out of that one by demanding all Holden sourced police cars be destroyed once the service life has expired.

    Damn you Fritz- Damn you to the burning hot fires of heck.
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    Tomsk welcomes the Jezebanned home promoted this comment Adidac425 was starred Adidac425 was unstarred
    Image of scottcom36 has Weekday DT's, Weekend OD's scottcom36 has Weekday DT's, Weekend OD's
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    A dreamer would hope that this is a back-door way to sneak the car past the gummint overlords after which it would take only a small step to sell the car to the public, much like DeLorean found a way to sneak the original GTO past the GM brass.
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    Tanshanomi promoted this comment scottcom36 has Weekday DT's, Weekend OD's was starred scottcom36 has Weekday DT's, Weekend OD's was unstarred
    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    I'd consider selling a kidney for a Holden VXR8...supercharged, of course.
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    that ain't the way to have fun, son was starred that ain't the way to have fun, son was unstarred
    Image of Arnie Cunningham Arnie Cunningham
    09/17/09

    @lauwd, she was lovey-dovey: You are aware the the Clubsport R8 AKA: VXR8, is only the base model HSV don't you?
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    LandofMinos, I took the O out of Cuntry promoted this comment Arnie Cunningham was starred Arnie Cunningham was unstarred
    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    10/01/09

    @Arnie Cunningham: The VXR8 is naturally aspirated (A standard Clubsport R8) while VXR8 Bathurst is supercharged. Listen to me the fucking great car nerd of all time.
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    LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard was starred LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard was unstarred
    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    I just checked and there are currently three G8 GTs available on the CarMax website right now; one is a 2009 with only 7K on it.

    If you want one — um, you go and get one?

    Or am I missing something here?
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    Tanshanomi was starred Tanshanomi was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    09/17/09

    @Tanshanomi: How many GXPs?
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    beercheck was starred beercheck was unstarred
    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    09/17/09

    @beercheck: You expect the cop cars to be GXP-spec?
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    Tanshanomi was starred Tanshanomi was unstarred
    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    09/17/09

    @Tanshanomi: Most cop-spec cars have the harder suspension and bigger engines. So, yeah, I'd expect it to essentially be a GXP with an auto box.
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    Image of Mark Arnold Mark Arnold
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car

    If the gub'ment has a problem with GM importing Holdens as cop cars, then GM should bribe, er... supply each Senator with a Holden HSV Senator. You know, as an official limo.
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    Mark Arnold was starred Mark Arnold was unstarred
    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    09/17/09

    @Mark Arnold: By that logic, Studebaker should live on in democracies and dictatorships all over the world.
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    Image of Pibbs Pibbs
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    If I can get one that's a former cop car in a few years, it's better than nothing.
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    High Speed Indeed promoted this comment Pibbs was starred Pibbs was unstarred
    Image of High Speed Indeed High Speed Indeed
    09/17/09

    @Pibbs: You don't want an old cop car. They are thrashed daily for years and who knows who's puked, bled, pissed, or worse, all over the back seats?
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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    09/17/09

    @High Speed Indeed: Agreed. By the time they go to auction, cop cars may have less than 100K worth of wear on the suspension, but five times as much on the parts that move while it's idling.

    And yes, there's also the interior: crushed foam in the drivers seat from donut-fattened butts, and all the issues you just mentioned in the back. Although, if you're lucky, it will have that unpadded fiberglass seating in the back (the kind with the cutout handcuff wells). That's kinda cool, and way more hose-out-able.
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    Tanshanomi was starred Tanshanomi was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    09/17/09

    @High Speed Indeed: You have a star, but you're clearly new here. You're home row deep in a bastion of P71 and 9C1 love now, friend. Embrace it.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    09/17/09

    @High Speed Indeed: Yes, but it's got a cop motor, cop tires, cop suspension ...
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    Alfisted was starred Alfisted was unstarred
    Image of High Speed Indeed High Speed Indeed
    09/17/09

    @beercheck: Yes, the star. Don't read into that too much, as I'm sure I got it from commenting on videogames over on Kotaku.

    So what's the advantage of a 9C1 over, say, a 94-96 Impala? I'm guessing that it's cheaper you could tear it down and rebuild it from scratch and not feel bad about modifiying it. Am I on the right track?
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    High Speed Indeed was starred High Speed Indeed was unstarred
    Image of High Speed Indeed High Speed Indeed
    09/17/09

    @Alfisted: Haha, that was my first thought when I saw beercheck's comment.
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    High Speed Indeed was starred High Speed Indeed was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    09/17/09

    @High Speed Indeed: Yep, the advantage is that you could (harder now) get them at police-auction prices.
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    beercheck was starred beercheck was unstarred
    Image of stuntpuppy stuntpuppy
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    I'll just wait until the Mt. Prospect PD starts selling them at auction. I bet they'll practically give them away!
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    stuntpuppy was starred stuntpuppy was unstarred
    Image of CulleyCTS CulleyCTS
    09/17/09

    @stuntpuppy: What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?
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    cyclopticgaze promoted this comment CulleyCTS was starred CulleyCTS was unstarred
    Image of stuntpuppy stuntpuppy
    09/17/09

    @CulleyCTS: cigarette lighter, etc, etc.
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    stuntpuppy was starred stuntpuppy was unstarred
    Image of JONNRG JONNRG
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    The red and blue lights in the grill should really be in the hood scoops.
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    mikedrawcar promoted this comment JONNRG was starred JONNRG was unstarred
    Image of mikedrawcar mikedrawcar
    09/17/09

    @JONNRG: and flash side to side like KITT
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    mikedrawcar was starred mikedrawcar was unstarred
    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    09/17/09

    @JONNRG: I like the way you think.
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    Tanshanomi was starred Tanshanomi was unstarred
    Image of FartyMcPooPants FartyMcPooPants
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    Personally I quite like the Dodge Charger police cars that seem to be all over the place these days.
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    Tanshanomi promoted this comment FartyMcPooPants was starred FartyMcPooPants was unstarred
    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    09/17/09

    @FartyMcPooPants: I was going to promote your comment, but the name "Farty McPooPants" kinda dampened my enthusiasm.
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    Tanshanomi was starred Tanshanomi was unstarred
    Image of FartyMcPooPants FartyMcPooPants
    09/17/09

    @Tanshanomi: Don't blame me, blame my mother...or diet... yeah, go for blaming the diet, sorry mum.
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    FartyMcPooPants was starred FartyMcPooPants was unstarred
    Image of wkiernan wkiernan
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    So they'll sell it in the U.S.A., and they'll support it with parts and service in the U.S.A., but they just refuse to sell it to ordinary citizens. Even though Americans would buy 20,000 of them a year; but it's not like GM is in business to sell cars or anything like that. What a bunch of assholes. Fuck you, Fritz.

    It's been my suspicion all along that the reason GM killed Pontiac has nothing to do with this division being profitable and this one being unprofitable, but is because of some nasty corporate politics. It doesn't make any sense otherwise. How much does it cost to put a nameplate on a product? And who in his right mind would throw away historically great names like "GTO" or "Grand Prix" or "Catalina"?

    No, my completely unsubstantiated guess is, somebody high up in GM management has, or had, a feud with some bigwigs in the Pontiac division or with some UAW guy representing Pontiac workers, so they decided to yank the rug out from under them, and screw the customers, and screw the stockholders too.
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    Mobius promoted this comment wkiernan was starred wkiernan was unstarred
    Image of S3L3SC S3L3SC
    09/17/09

    @wkiernan: I still say that the environuts got to them as part of the bailout they received.

    Either way, we don't get any of the cool stuff - again.
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    S3L3SC was starred S3L3SC was unstarred
    Image of wkiernan wkiernan
    09/17/09

    @S3L3SC: The only problem I see with that theory is that the G8, even in high-performance trim, still gets fairly decent mileage for such a big, powerful car (17/25 or 15/24). In comparison the BMW 535i gets 17/26, the 550i gets 15/23 (auto) or 15/22 (manual) and the M5 gets 11/17. Also compare this with the best-selling car in the U.S.A., the Ford F150, which gets 16/20 with the V6 and 14/18 with the V8. (I call it "car" because as you know, the majority of F150 owners use theirs to carry passengers - usually one passenger - over paved roads, not to climb mountains or transport big loads.)
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    beercheck promoted this comment wkiernan was starred wkiernan was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    09/17/09

    @wkiernan: You're confusing yourself by focusing too heavily on logic and facts. Reason is clouding your spirit. Clear your mind, particularly of cogency, and let politics and bigotry be your guide.

    Ohm...
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    beercheck was starred beercheck was unstarred
    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    09/17/09

    @wkiernan: I was going to say the same thing, just much less eloquently.
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    Image of mattsaler mattsaler
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    Seeing one of those in your rear-view mirror with lights flashing should make you fill your pants, I'd think. A bit more intimidating than being tagged by what looks like your grandfather's car with a light rack.
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    mattsaler was starred mattsaler was unstarred
    Image of Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978 Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978
    09/17/09

    @mattsaler: Fill in the back, or fill in the front?
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    Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978 was starred Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978 was unstarred
    Image of KillerBee KillerBee
    09/17/09

    In reply to GM Still To Re-Badge Holden Commodore As U.S. Cop Car
    So what badge will it have? Chevy? GM? None?
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    Image of FormerlyPreferredCustomer FormerlyPreferredCustomer
    09/17/09

    @KillerBee: It will be a new badge--a very pretty enamel rendition of Fritz's middle finger.
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    Tomsk welcomes the Jezebanned home promoted this comment FormerlyPreferredCustomer was starred FormerlyPreferredCustomer was unstarred
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