I'm happy to see more diesels in the US, but unless someone starts marketing them down range a bit, then i just don't get it. You're seriously advocating the 335d? It's $50K without options; over $60K to get it nice, and even then, you wind up with an automatic that won't keep pace with the 335i. Nice torque; that's cool. But the entire point of the plant is fuel economy. Let me have the 2.0l diesel with a stick in a light weight 3 series for less than $35K!
Why no LS9? That's a fantastic engine. Driven gently, it delivers better fuel mileage in the 'Vette than my Subie ever does. And yes, I drive the Subie gently too. Damn brick.
Hyundai's V8 is nice and all, but the pair of cylinders closest to the front of the car don't work and play well with others. They'd rather be in a Chinese car.
The torque range on the ecoBoost blows me away.
(Project lead) "I want 350 ft-lbs of torque. Can you do that?"
(Engineer) "Sure. Where on the rev range do you want it?"
(Waves indistinctly) "Anywhere."
(Engineer shrugs) "Okey-dokey."
Also: +1 for timing chains.
The VW 2.0 Turbo is a fun engine. I drove it. It drives bigger than it is. Yowzah.
A Chevy getting 32mpg used to be impressive. Now it's Chevy's sport-cute delivering 32mpg, and it's not as small as the sport-cutes used to be. Frankly, I'm damned impressed. My car won't do that, not even close, and it doesn't make nearly as much power, either.
Damned impressed.
@Lost in the age of Aerostar: I was hoping someone would post that. You open the hood and find...a nest of mating metal snakes! Who wouldn't want that in the engine room? Animal lust, harnessed for your personal use!
@DoctorNine: When did designers and the public start saying "Like, eeeew, engines are GROSS! Can you like, cover that hideous thing up with a giant flat slab of pretty plastic?"
Or is there some reason that manufacturers want it to seem like a total mystery as to what is powering the car? "Hey, what's under there? DONT LOOK! It's a genie and he is f*cking angry."
Dear car makers: I (we) think engines look cool and we would like to see them. Nobody likes your stupid plastic covers, so stop putting them on. What, is this the victorian era of underhood design? Next thing you know there will just be another hood under the hood when you open the hood.
Anyone who buys a 3-series with an engine other than the diesel is sick in the head? Those are strong words when, by most accounts, the pairing of gas I6s (remember, one's twin-turboed) and the M's V8 are pretty stellar engines, and you can get it with a stick. I mean, as an engine, BMW's diesel makes me weak in the knees (425lb-ft can do strong things to me, especially at 23/36mpg), but the way you have to take it isn't perfect. Now, there's no other engine you should take in an X5 (although you shouldn't take an X5).
I am disappointed in the ecoweenieism that picked the naturally aspirated Ecotec over the direct injected turbocharged version (which also makes more power and torque than VW's equivalent).
@Maymar: Not to really disagree with you as the I6 and the I6 TT are absolutely stellar... but a friend of mine just picked up a 335d and took me for a drive recently. The way the torque pushes you back in the seat is mind numbing...
@VeeArrrSix: Like I said, I agree, it's a fantastic engine, and I don't dispute its place on this list. I'm just disputing the idea that there's something wrong with picking any of the other engines the 3-series offers - although, I would completely rock a diesel 3 with a 6-speed (I'd take a smaller engine if I had to).
Remember when this list used be about all-around good performance and engineering? When stuff like Buick's 3800, Cadillac's Northstar and the Nissan VQ series made the list every year?
I'm not sure when Ward's fell victim to the same eco-weenie crap that's taking over the whole fucking world, but I'm sure as hell am not happy about it. I love turbo-fours, diesels and direct injection as much as anybody, I don't know how much longer I can deal with all this plug-in-hybrid, evil man-made carbon emissions will kill us all bullshit that's progressively destroying the car hobby I so dearly love.
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@spuy767: I know! How couldn't you? The VQ just keeps getting better and better. It's equally brilliant in FWD Altimas, the Z car and luxury Infinitis.
And the 3800, despite being a 40+ year old pushrod, it was easily one of, if not the best V6s on the market up until 2002-2003 or so. 200 horsepower (24o w/supercharger!) and 30 MPG on regular unleaded seemed unbelievable in the '90s, but Buick pulled it off. It wasn't until Nissan and Honda started one-upping each other that the 3800 finally stopped being competitive (and I can't believe GM tried replacing it with that "High Feature" garbage). Still, there's plenty of recent-vintage, 3800-equipped big GM sedans that make good beater highway cruisers. Not bad for a once-unloved, uneven-firing, sawed-off Fireball V8.
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@If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: I'm fortunate enough to own a G35 and a Grand National. Although, I'm pretty sure If the VQ which is my daily driver ever croaks out, which is a pretty big if, I'm going to try and shoehorn an LS2 in there that I picked up on a core charge because some old guy's '07 GTO was burning because a ring was seated improperly. I look forward to that day, however far off it may be.
I like the Fusion a lot, but is it car of the year material? It's not even all new. I really don't know what Motor Trend is thinking on these "____ Of the Year" awards anymore. They either pick the the lamest, most economical vehicle in the pool (Outback was SUV of the year, WTF?) or something completely ridiculous and irrelevant to most buyers (GTR last year).
I do not miss my subscription to that magazine. #fordfusion
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@PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287: Yeah, that's true. And despite 20+ pages of write up about how they chose the winner, the result is usually pretty bogus. At least they combined it with Import COTY about a decade back, preventing crap like the '97 Malibu, '93 Probe and '88 Grand Prix from winning. Seriously, the list of previous winners is a great big cavalcade of suck.
Also, I can't wait to see what the '10 Truck of the Year is. Did anybody even come out with a new truck this year? That's got to be the most bogus award of all.
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I particularly like the fact that this is a domestic that has pretty nice styling AND the underpinnings to make it worth driving. Ford has to be the domestic with the most on the ball lately. #fordfusion
@zeeboid: I'm kind of a mix. I drive mostly high end cars of many manufacturers. But I really admire great engineering; the kind where the synergy of the design reaches an orgasm of driving enjoyment. It doesn't matter where the design comes from.
But I don't think people who look at automobiles as some kind of statement of nationalistic pride are really paying attention. No mass manufactured vehicle today is a pristine product of only one country. As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling. Everyone is wearing a mask, and the moves are choreographed for fan enjoyment.
But this is a good car. No excess baggage with that simple observation.
@DoctorNine: "But I don't think people who look at automobiles as some kind of statement of nationalistic pride are really paying attention"
I agree with you there. never quite understood why some of the manufactures just can't quite go that little extra mile. example: The 300c and Chargers not having a 6sp, some of the leather in cars obviously inferior, etc.
"As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling"
Not so much there. even with that, many fail to take into account all the R&D to get acar to where it is going (90ish % of which is spent within the country of origin) not to mention where the profit is going (country of origin once again) simply put, the company has more invested (in all respects) in its home country, and the home country benifits most from that company's success.
don't get me wrong, I am all for a global marketplace, and competition. (without competition, you have ntohing but crap because there is no encouragement to do better.)
And I have never purchased a NEW car so I have never practiced what I preached (Though the only foreign machines i've ever had have been 3/3 motorcycles and 0/15 cars. I have not yet been able to afford a Victory, and Harley Davidsons are too much like Puppies for me (leaving a puddle wherever they go))
@DoctorNine: "But I don't think people who look at automobiles as some kind of statement of nationalistic pride are really paying attention"
I agree with you there. never quite understood why some of the manufactures just can't quite go that little extra mile. example: The 300c and Chargers not having a 6sp, some of the leather in cars obviously inferior, etc.
"As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling"
Not so much there. even with that, many fail to take into account all the R&D to get acar to where it is going (90ish % of which is spent within the country of origin) not to mention where the profit is going (country of origin once again) simply put, the company has more invested (in all respects) in its home country, and the home country benifits most from that company's success.
don't get me wrong, I am all for a global marketplace, and competition. (without competition, you have ntohing but crap because there is no encouragement to do better.)
And I have never purchased a NEW car so I have never practiced what I preached (Though the only foreign machines i've ever had have been 3/3 motorcycles and 0/15 cars. I have not yet been able to afford a Victory, and Harley Davidsons are too much like Puppies for me (leaving a puddle wherever they go))
It's about time the Americans took some prizes back from the Germans and the Asians. Afterall, it gets boring to see the same guys winning all the time.
Question: Does the Fusion have any relations to the Six?
MotorTrend can go to hell, but the Fusion can go to hell and back. I've yet to hear about any bad news from owners up here, and that's saying something.
If a car can handle Alaska, it can pretty much handle anything. #fordfusion
@Ford Tempo Fanatic: That's not trial by fire, it's trial by frost heave. And mile upon mile of frozen tundra.
I'm originally from Minnesota, so I kinda know where you're coming from, but around there if you get stuck in a drift help will be by probably within a week. For you guys, spring.
@Elhigh: Which is why its a good thing me, and most of Alaska's natives, choose Ford Tempos for their daily drivers. Those things put almost everything else to shame in the snow, while being reliable enough to get you home and back.
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The torque range on the ecoBoost blows me away.
(Project lead) "I want 350 ft-lbs of torque. Can you do that?"
(Engineer) "Sure. Where on the rev range do you want it?"
(Waves indistinctly) "Anywhere."
(Engineer shrugs) "Okey-dokey."
Also: +1 for timing chains.
The VW 2.0 Turbo is a fun engine. I drove it. It drives bigger than it is. Yowzah.
A Chevy getting 32mpg used to be impressive. Now it's Chevy's sport-cute delivering 32mpg, and it's not as small as the sport-cutes used to be. Frankly, I'm damned impressed. My car won't do that, not even close, and it doesn't make nearly as much power, either.
Damned impressed.
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Or is there some reason that manufacturers want it to seem like a total mystery as to what is powering the car? "Hey, what's under there? DONT LOOK! It's a genie and he is f*cking angry."
Dear car makers: I (we) think engines look cool and we would like to see them. Nobody likes your stupid plastic covers, so stop putting them on. What, is this the victorian era of underhood design? Next thing you know there will just be another hood under the hood when you open the hood.
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I am disappointed in the ecoweenieism that picked the naturally aspirated Ecotec over the direct injected turbocharged version (which also makes more power and torque than VW's equivalent).
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As for the list, it's not bad (not great, either) although no hybrid makes my list and no way Hyundai makes the world's best V8.
Now that Subie has solved that pesky banjo bolt issue, I'm thrilled to see their pancake's on the menu.
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I'm not sure when Ward's fell victim to the same eco-weenie crap that's taking over the whole fucking world, but I'm sure as hell am not happy about it. I love turbo-fours, diesels and direct injection as much as anybody, I don't know how much longer I can deal with all this plug-in-hybrid, evil man-made carbon emissions will kill us all bullshit that's progressively destroying the car hobby I so dearly love.
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And the 3800, despite being a 40+ year old pushrod, it was easily one of, if not the best V6s on the market up until 2002-2003 or so. 200 horsepower (24o w/supercharger!) and 30 MPG on regular unleaded seemed unbelievable in the '90s, but Buick pulled it off. It wasn't until Nissan and Honda started one-upping each other that the 3800 finally stopped being competitive (and I can't believe GM tried replacing it with that "High Feature" garbage). Still, there's plenty of recent-vintage, 3800-equipped big GM sedans that make good beater highway cruisers. Not bad for a once-unloved, uneven-firing, sawed-off Fireball V8.
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Then again, I've never really agreed with MT's choices.
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I do not miss my subscription to that magazine. #fordfusion
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Too much gray area. #fordfusion
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Also, I can't wait to see what the '10 Truck of the Year is. Did anybody even come out with a new truck this year? That's got to be the most bogus award of all.
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why don't you take your love for America and...
nope, can't do it. I can't even pretend to be a foreign car loving person. #fordfusion
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But I don't think people who look at automobiles as some kind of statement of nationalistic pride are really paying attention. No mass manufactured vehicle today is a pristine product of only one country. As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling. Everyone is wearing a mask, and the moves are choreographed for fan enjoyment.
But this is a good car. No excess baggage with that simple observation.
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I agree with you there. never quite understood why some of the manufactures just can't quite go that little extra mile. example: The 300c and Chargers not having a 6sp, some of the leather in cars obviously inferior, etc.
"As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling"
Not so much there. even with that, many fail to take into account all the R&D to get acar to where it is going (90ish % of which is spent within the country of origin) not to mention where the profit is going (country of origin once again) simply put, the company has more invested (in all respects) in its home country, and the home country benifits most from that company's success.
don't get me wrong, I am all for a global marketplace, and competition. (without competition, you have ntohing but crap because there is no encouragement to do better.)
And I have never purchased a NEW car so I have never practiced what I preached (Though the only foreign machines i've ever had have been 3/3 motorcycles and 0/15 cars. I have not yet been able to afford a Victory, and Harley Davidsons are too much like Puppies for me (leaving a puddle wherever they go))
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I agree with you there. never quite understood why some of the manufactures just can't quite go that little extra mile. example: The 300c and Chargers not having a 6sp, some of the leather in cars obviously inferior, etc.
"As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling"
Not so much there. even with that, many fail to take into account all the R&D to get acar to where it is going (90ish % of which is spent within the country of origin) not to mention where the profit is going (country of origin once again) simply put, the company has more invested (in all respects) in its home country, and the home country benifits most from that company's success.
don't get me wrong, I am all for a global marketplace, and competition. (without competition, you have ntohing but crap because there is no encouragement to do better.)
And I have never purchased a NEW car so I have never practiced what I preached (Though the only foreign machines i've ever had have been 3/3 motorcycles and 0/15 cars. I have not yet been able to afford a Victory, and Harley Davidsons are too much like Puppies for me (leaving a puddle wherever they go))
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Question: Does the Fusion have any relations to the Six?
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If a car can handle Alaska, it can pretty much handle anything. #fordfusion
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I'm originally from Minnesota, so I kinda know where you're coming from, but around there if you get stuck in a drift help will be by probably within a week. For you guys, spring.
Maybe. #fordfusion
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I speak from experience. ;) #fordfusion