Unfortunately most 'average' Americans suffer from an affliction call NIH syndrome (Not Invented Here).
NIH will be responsible for Transit vans not going to America...
...Because NIH is an affliction that is also widespread amongst product planners at American car companies who, rather than go for the latest offerings from elsewhere, feel compelled to make their own (America's own) to appease their overwhelming (and misguided) sense of patriotism. I cite a few examples...
-Honda Accord Euro too good for America. So they make an inferior Honda Accord (California)
-Ford Focus (Europe) too good for America. They go for a Americanised Focus based on an outdated platform.
-Holden Caprice and Ford Falcon (Australia) too good for American cops. They drive a slower and dynamically retarded version of a car with late 1970's chassis technology.
NIH also has similar symptoms that compel the sufferer to invent things that are really not needed...
-An open door is too obvious for Americans. They need lights and an annoying gonging sound to remind them.
-Seat belt reminder lights first appeared in Europe, but Americans go one further by selling a car that automatically straps the driver in! (Ford Festiva)
I can go on and on. Some of you will get what I mean, while the average will stare and blink mindlessly at their monitor then curse me as if I just said Bin Laden for President.
As someone who has managed a small fleet of service vehicles, I like the idea of the TC but have reservations.
The industry needs a replacement for the Astro van and the TC is well suited for the role. It will be interesting to see if the cable companies, satellite TV installers and the Telcos like AT&T buy them. Their acceptance of the TC will go a long way in the US market.
While all the tech features are cool, I don't see too many companies buying them. I can't recall ever seeing a commercial service vehicle on a job site with an in-dash DVD navigation system. That strikes me as one tech toy that will break easily, cost a lot to maintain/service and be way to expensive to buy in the first place. Same with the fancy RFID tool locator and the snitch box. Management loves snitch boxes but Labor always finds a way to defeat them. And that Crew Chief web 2.0 cyber whateverthingy will not only be expensive, but who is going to use it? Creating documents and printing them via a BT-enabled printer? Jesus, I could hardly get a service tech to fill out a simple call sheet with a free ink pen.
Remove the toys that are 90% bullshit anyway and you might have a nice little van for the metro-area service tech who doesn't need to carry conduit, extension ladders, enough service parts to do the job in one visit, etc.
I keep seeing a box van (it's a one-piece cargo van with a unique body, like a Grumman Stepvan in miniature) around. It actually looks like an ice-cream truck, except shorter (not as tall in the front; it's like a long postal truck, sorta) and a bit rounded. It has the same frontal styling, too:
@SetaVampiro: It's not a Kubvan. It has a shorter, rounder version of that ice-cream truck's nose. The entire cab is lower - it's like a Grumman Toyota Uhaul truck in that the cab is lower than the top of the box, iirc.
Guys, you need to do a little more research on your comments. It's primarily a commercial van, intended for lighter commercial use (deliveries, vending service, plumbers, etc) leaving the heavier commercial jobs to the guys that need the extra payload & size with the F-150/Super Duty/Econoline.
For those asking about seating, there are two versions. The van is as tested, and a wagon with a rear seat to sit 5. You can also option the van with or without the side windows.
As far as comparing this to anyone's "my car" statment, again this is a commercial vehicle. Compare apple to apples, it was never built to compete with a Focus/Civic/Camry/Accord/etc.
@Osahar: Fact is, though, my "my car" statement works. I wasn't complaining about refinement, economy, passenger-hauling, any of that stuff - I referred to the turning circle.
With a wheelbase 0.6 inches longer than that of a Volvo 240, there's no real good reason for this (or most cars, really) to have a notably wider turning circle. The Transit's isn't bad, I'll acknowledge that. But still.
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@smalleyxb122: I'm with you, sort of, but who is the gymnast in this scenario? Certainly not the E350; that's like the fat chick's mom. Who can't cook.
It occurs to me that this platform is really crying out for a Sawzall and a quick metal-fabrication job. Voila! 2012 Ford Transit Courier, slotted neatly underneath the Ranger.
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@NiceNurseRatched: I agree wholeheartedly. But with CARB now essentially setting national emissions regs, diesels are pretty much on death row in this country.
@NiceNurseRatched: Wikipedia tells me it's based on the same C170 platform as the North American Focus (or 1rst gen Focus if you're privledged enough for that to be a relevant idea). I want to drop the SVT engine in one of these now.
06/01/09
NIH will be responsible for Transit vans not going to America...
...Because NIH is an affliction that is also widespread amongst product planners at American car companies who, rather than go for the latest offerings from elsewhere, feel compelled to make their own (America's own) to appease their overwhelming (and misguided) sense of patriotism. I cite a few examples...
-Honda Accord Euro too good for America. So they make an inferior Honda Accord (California)
-Ford Focus (Europe) too good for America. They go for a Americanised Focus based on an outdated platform.
-Holden Caprice and Ford Falcon (Australia) too good for American cops. They drive a slower and dynamically retarded version of a car with late 1970's chassis technology.
NIH also has similar symptoms that compel the sufferer to invent things that are really not needed...
-An open door is too obvious for Americans. They need lights and an annoying gonging sound to remind them.
-Seat belt reminder lights first appeared in Europe, but Americans go one further by selling a car that automatically straps the driver in! (Ford Festiva)
I can go on and on. Some of you will get what I mean, while the average will stare and blink mindlessly at their monitor then curse me as if I just said Bin Laden for President.
05/30/09
The industry needs a replacement for the Astro van and the TC is well suited for the role. It will be interesting to see if the cable companies, satellite TV installers and the Telcos like AT&T buy them. Their acceptance of the TC will go a long way in the US market.
While all the tech features are cool, I don't see too many companies buying them. I can't recall ever seeing a commercial service vehicle on a job site with an in-dash DVD navigation system. That strikes me as one tech toy that will break easily, cost a lot to maintain/service and be way to expensive to buy in the first place. Same with the fancy RFID tool locator and the snitch box. Management loves snitch boxes but Labor always finds a way to defeat them. And that Crew Chief web 2.0 cyber whateverthingy will not only be expensive, but who is going to use it? Creating documents and printing them via a BT-enabled printer? Jesus, I could hardly get a service tech to fill out a simple call sheet with a free ink pen.
Remove the toys that are 90% bullshit anyway and you might have a nice little van for the metro-area service tech who doesn't need to carry conduit, extension ladders, enough service parts to do the job in one visit, etc.
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I keep seeing a box van (it's a one-piece cargo van with a unique body, like a Grumman Stepvan in miniature) around. It actually looks like an ice-cream truck, except shorter (not as tall in the front; it's like a long postal truck, sorta) and a bit rounded. It has the same frontal styling, too:
So, friends: What Is This Van?
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For those asking about seating, there are two versions. The van is as tested, and a wagon with a rear seat to sit 5. You can also option the van with or without the side windows.
As far as comparing this to anyone's "my car" statment, again this is a commercial vehicle. Compare apple to apples, it was never built to compete with a Focus/Civic/Camry/Accord/etc.
05/29/09
With a wheelbase 0.6 inches longer than that of a Volvo 240, there's no real good reason for this (or most cars, really) to have a notably wider turning circle. The Transit's isn't bad, I'll acknowledge that. But still.
05/29/09
My car is almost sixteen feet long and does it in 32 feet, two inches. Suck on it.
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Segment-busting? Really? Last time I checked, plenty of subcompact/B-segment cars have been sold here for years, including the original Fiesta.
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I think more-luxurious, better handling, Euro-style small cars is less of a breakthrough and more of an inevitability.
Besides, Honda beat them to it with the Fit.
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the E350; that's like the fat chick's mom
But the fat chick's mom is better at helping you move a couch.
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Idiocy.
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Let be be the one dozen millionth person to point out that this really ought to offer a modern diesel.
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