That European Ranger is really what we need. Its possibly the only worthy fate of our Ranger. It would be worlds better then the fat ass Colorados and Dakota's we have now. #fordka
Although it would be nice to have a new Ranger, it would have to be built in North America rather than imported from overseas. It would seemingly be easy to bring the world-Ranger from one of Ford's numerous foreign plants, but there's still that nasty little 25% "chicken tax" tariff on imported pickups to deal with. If Congress can be persuaded to drop the 46-year-old punitive measure for foreign tariffs on US chickens, then maybe we can get somewhere with new Rangers. However, given the "effectiveness" of Congress recently, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I hate the Ka; so I'm not really broken up about not getting that, and truly, why would anyone buy it over the Fiesta?
The Ranger, I think, can be explained by the continued weakness in the full size market. How are you going to make any profit on Rangers when a decent F150 can be had for $17K? As much as folks on this site would praise smaller, lighter trucks, I'm guessing that the average American buyer sees them as inferior. #fordka
@snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Could be, but I've written about the disappearance of true minipickups on other blogs and seen spontaneous outpourings of nostalgia and claimed desire to own new ones. Somebody is going to bring back the old 2 liter engine and a porch type minipickup, and they're going to reap the rewards that Detroit refuses to. As usual. #fordka
The 'Ka' could potentially compete with the Fiesta. Why would a college graduate with their English degree spend their hard-earned Applebee's paycheck on the more expensive Fiesta when there's a Ka available? And what's the incentive for Ford to bring it over here? To fight the microcars from ... who? Smart? Better to focus on making the Fiesta as economical, efficient and populars as possible. That's where the real competition is.
As for the Ranger, what's the incentive for Ford to go to the trouble of marketing and launching the all new platform? Changeovers aren't free, after all. And, as several of you have already noted, the competition in this segment is pretty dreadful. Those who fixate on reliability are going to buy the Toyota. Those who want to buy the cheapest will go with one of the lesser Japanese brands. And those whose grandpappy used to work for GM will buy the Chevy. The rest who really want a vehicle in this segment - the ones who were probably going to buy the Ranger in the first place - are still going to buy the Ranger. The number of people who would 'switch' to a Ranger if they brought over the new version is probably insignificant relative to the cost of changing over all the production, marketing and showroom stuff.
But what do I know... I only leased my Ranger back in 1999 because I wanted to get out from under the payment on my '98 Trans Am that had given up two fuel pumps and a windshield wiper motor in its first year of existence... #fordka
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Is all this "the Ranger is too old..." whining coming from the same folks who keep saying Honda should bring back the old CRX and "today's cars are too fat and heavy, please bring back dependable, simple vehicles"? #fordka
@beercheck: +1. Just give it a couple modern engine choices, maybe the ecoboost and the sweet Duratorq diesel, and it'll be good for another 10 years. #fordka
@karnevil: This exactly. As I said earlier in the thread, the compact truck is a basic tool like a hammer. Bring out a few new colors, make a fancy handle to make it seem revolutionary and new, but in the end, the new truck will be the same as the old. Because it has to be.
There isn't much "modernization" that can improve the compact truck right now.
Go ahead, make a hybrid version or something, buyers won't care.
People buy Rangers because they are a telephone company. #fordka
It's all too typical for the Big Three to steer clear of smaller cars and trucks. Not bringing in the Ka makes some sense, but Ford is a pretty dumb if it gets rid of the Ranger in the U.S. #fordka
The decision to not sell the Ka in the U.S. doesn't surprise me as I really can't see people buying them. However, considering the dire need for a new Ranger, I actually am very shocked that the Global one would not come here. Seems like a major misstep to me unless Ford already has some other plan in the works. #fordka
@Bullitt417: I wonder if Ford is indicating that there just isn't really a market in the US for a small pickup, which wouldn't really surprise me. Aside from its use as a fleet vehicle (which the Transit is probably better suited) most consumers want a pickup for image or work. A small pickup satisfies neither. For those looking for "sporty" pickups, the Sport Trac covers that segment (although is pretty expensive compared to the Ranger).
The global Ranger is pretty homely anyway, so I can't say I miss it. And maybe Ford has other interesting plans for the US - perhaps a Flex Pickup? #fordka
@Bullitt417: The only real reason I could see Ford selling the Ka here is to use it as a halo vehicle. Like the GT or last T-bird. They didn't intend to sell many, but the marketing and PR they provided was a plus to the company as a whole.
The Ka could do that as well, just on the other end of the product portfolio.
The only problem being that its hard to charge a premium on a subcompact. #fordka
@weatherman: I don't really see a flex pickup truck working as a replacement for a ranger. As a niche model (a new ranchero possibly) it may work but otherwise the Flex flatform was never intended for a work truck (transverse V6- front or all-wheel drive and less ground clearance than a ridgeline). With those specs, it doesn't fit in with the Built Ford tough image of the trucks which was the same reason the smaller F-150 was killed off so you may very well be right, there may not be a small pickup truck market anymore and the development costs or shipping costs to bring the global truck here may not justify the profits.
@danio3834: The same would go for the Ka as a small halo car. I'm pretty sure thats the Fiesta's job especially considering the massive PR expense Ford put into it. The costs may not justify bringing it here especially since people don't buy small when gas is low. #fordka
@Bullitt417: I didn't really think Ford would do it, or that it would really be a replacement for the Ranger in the small ute category. I just think it's a fun idea, and that photoshop of it is pretty good. #fordka
Come on, Ford...wake up. Just give us what everyone else has please. We want/need a compact truck designed sometime before steam power became passe. #fordka
This, from a company that ships Transit Connects with windows and full interiors here, removes the windows and back seats and welds in metal panels to make the panel vans (all to abide by some chicken law.)
Too bad though; it's a handsome truck. Hopefully the next US Ranger isn't much bigger than the old one, or this.
Not so miffed about the Ka, since Chrysler will be selling the car it's based on.
Ford probably thinks that they will have lower profitability on the smaller vehicles, and that certifying and introduce them will be too expensive for the return. Perhaps they are also concerned about cannibalizing sales of larger vehicles.
However, it is a grave mistake. Ford needs to compete in all sectors of the market. And they need to be able to respond to changing conditions and taste. For is currently doing better than the other US makers, largely on the basis of having some smaller vehicles that people actually wanted to buy, when the price of gas spiked. #fordka
I've read the comment within this thread (so far), as well as other comments with a vaguely political tone to it, and had to respond.
Light diesels will not be coming to America because of or (admittedly retarded) emission regulations. We measure tailpipe emissions differently than the Europeans and the Japanese. We seem to be concentrated on NOx output, rather than CO2 output. And we will never bring our emission regulations in line with Europe, not with California continuing to regulate stricter standards.
If the electorate decides to bring back the Republicans, they won't necessarily roll back standards... they will be too busy trying to undo other more pressing social issues, re-drawing congressional districts, and lining their pockets with political contributions. Diesels will still be quite a number of years away. #fordka
@UDMan: "I've read the comment within this thread (so far), as well as other comments with a vaguely political tone to it, and had to respond."
Bullshit.
There were no (edit: Okay, I see now there was one, unpromoted, classic troll-style shot) comments within this thread -- before yours -- that had even "vaguely political" tone. As far as that "as well as other comments" crap...what the hell? You're invoking comments from some other thread, from some other time, and tying it in here with "and had to respond"?
@UDMan: In what way, exactly, is it retarded to measure NOx emissions rather than CO2 emissions?
CO2: May impact global climate.
NOx: Causes smog, acid rain, low-level ozone, and destroys high-level ozone, all while causing or worsening respiratory diseases and potentially worsening some types of heart disease.
Are you SURE you prefer the European and Japanese way of measuring things? #fordka
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I see a lot of Toyota Tacomas around. I notice them because they're so ugly my eyes hurt. #fordka
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Hmmm. Must be regional then. I haven's seen anything of the sort for a while now.
Or maybe it's just that I'm not paying attention to them at all. #fordka
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The Ranger, I think, can be explained by the continued weakness in the full size market. How are you going to make any profit on Rangers when a decent F150 can be had for $17K? As much as folks on this site would praise smaller, lighter trucks, I'm guessing that the average American buyer sees them as inferior. #fordka
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@CJinSD: The Indians perhaps? #fordka
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The 'Ka' could potentially compete with the Fiesta. Why would a college graduate with their English degree spend their hard-earned Applebee's paycheck on the more expensive Fiesta when there's a Ka available? And what's the incentive for Ford to bring it over here? To fight the microcars from ... who? Smart? Better to focus on making the Fiesta as economical, efficient and populars as possible. That's where the real competition is.
As for the Ranger, what's the incentive for Ford to go to the trouble of marketing and launching the all new platform? Changeovers aren't free, after all. And, as several of you have already noted, the competition in this segment is pretty dreadful. Those who fixate on reliability are going to buy the Toyota. Those who want to buy the cheapest will go with one of the lesser Japanese brands. And those whose grandpappy used to work for GM will buy the Chevy. The rest who really want a vehicle in this segment - the ones who were probably going to buy the Ranger in the first place - are still going to buy the Ranger. The number of people who would 'switch' to a Ranger if they brought over the new version is probably insignificant relative to the cost of changing over all the production, marketing and showroom stuff.
But what do I know... I only leased my Ranger back in 1999 because I wanted to get out from under the payment on my '98 Trans Am that had given up two fuel pumps and a windshield wiper motor in its first year of existence... #fordka
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There isn't much "modernization" that can improve the compact truck right now.
Go ahead, make a hybrid version or something, buyers won't care.
People buy Rangers because they are a telephone company. #fordka
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The global Ranger is pretty homely anyway, so I can't say I miss it. And maybe Ford has other interesting plans for the US - perhaps a Flex Pickup? #fordka
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The Ka could do that as well, just on the other end of the product portfolio.
The only problem being that its hard to charge a premium on a subcompact. #fordka
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@danio3834: The same would go for the Ka as a small halo car. I'm pretty sure thats the Fiesta's job especially considering the massive PR expense Ford put into it. The costs may not justify bringing it here especially since people don't buy small when gas is low. #fordka
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Stupid.
Come on, Ford...wake up. Just give us what everyone else has please. We want/need a compact truck designed sometime before steam power became passe. #fordka
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Too bad though; it's a handsome truck. Hopefully the next US Ranger isn't much bigger than the old one, or this.
Not so miffed about the Ka, since Chrysler will be selling the car it's based on.
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However, it is a grave mistake. Ford needs to compete in all sectors of the market. And they need to be able to respond to changing conditions and taste. For is currently doing better than the other US makers, largely on the basis of having some smaller vehicles that people actually wanted to buy, when the price of gas spiked. #fordka
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Light diesels will not be coming to America because of or (admittedly retarded) emission regulations. We measure tailpipe emissions differently than the Europeans and the Japanese. We seem to be concentrated on NOx output, rather than CO2 output. And we will never bring our emission regulations in line with Europe, not with California continuing to regulate stricter standards.
If the electorate decides to bring back the Republicans, they won't necessarily roll back standards... they will be too busy trying to undo other more pressing social issues, re-drawing congressional districts, and lining their pockets with political contributions. Diesels will still be quite a number of years away. #fordka
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Bullshit.
There were no (edit: Okay, I see now there was one, unpromoted, classic troll-style shot) comments within this thread -- before yours -- that had even "vaguely political" tone. As far as that "as well as other comments" crap...what the hell? You're invoking comments from some other thread, from some other time, and tying it in here with "and had to respond"?
"Troll". Look it up.
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CO2: May impact global climate.
NOx: Causes smog, acid rain, low-level ozone, and destroys high-level ozone, all while causing or worsening respiratory diseases and potentially worsening some types of heart disease.
Are you SURE you prefer the European and Japanese way of measuring things? #fordka