If Ford started selling these again I would buy it in a heartbeat, of course I would have to yank out that engine and install a proper Stroked and Bored Three Pot Flattie in its place. #ecoboost
To Ben: "All-steel replica" is not the same as "new old stock".
To Ford PR: RE:...a typical hot rod's 302-cubic-inch V-8...
302 isn't "typical". A "typical" hot rod has a Chevy 350. Even if the typical hot rod is a Ford. #ecoboost
@smalleyxb122: I see plenty of folks using SBFs in hot rods, and flatties, Olds mills, FEs and pretty much everything else under the sun. To state that the "typical" hotrod has a 350, 302 or any one engine is short-sighted and just plain wrong. For any car to called a hot rod, it should be anything but typical, and I think that sliding a twin-turbo V-6 into a '34 more that qualifies for legit hotrod status.
But yea, an NOS '32 body? Come on, Ben. Really? #ecoboost
@Frisco Fairlane500: I will concede that there is no such thing as "typical" for a hot rod, but if the 350 fills that descriptor better than any other engine. Sure there are a lot of other common engine choices for hot rods, but I defy you to tell me that there are more of any one of them than there are of the SBC.
I'm not defending the use of a SBC in a hot rod. I'm merely stating a fact. There are a shitload of them powering everything, even in a large portion of hot rod Fords. #ecoboost
I pick up a few magazines on a regular basis, Vintage Truck being a particular favorite, and a recurring theme in that is restoration vs. "hot rodding." Seems the diehard restoration nuts have no patience for anyone who doesn't get bolts made by the original manufacturer still in business after the automaker contract ran out back in the fifties. The hotrodders are actually restomodders, people who try to retain the original look while updating the vehicle to a more modern standard. You get better driveability, brakes that actually work, and the decent fuel mileage that comes with a modern EFI system. Not all the modders do that, but enough that the restoration nuts just have a cow over it.
Me, I want to be able to hop into that 1950 Ford F1 and fire it right up. No crank-crank-crank, just vroom and off you go. Modern gears, all synchronized. Turn it off and it stops, no puttering and farting to a reluctant halt.
So finding this awesome old coupe with the great shape just rocks. Repowering it with Ford's new halo engine is fantastic. Now it's as powerful a retro ride as you could hope for, it cruises on probably only half the fuel flow it used to - I see no downside here. The diehard restoration guys can sit on it, this is a great project, and I wish it was mine. #ecoboost
I have a Toyota engine (AE101 4AGZE) that's 1600cc and 170 HP without direct injection going into my 1988 MR2. I'm envious of the DI, but also glad the US is finally catching up.
The ePRS (US Patent No. c11077983) reduced the press release to this:
Coming in 2010! The All-New Super Amazing High Performance Fuel Saving Four Cylinder EcoBoost! It will bring fuel savings to not just a few thousand...but millions!
The EcoBoost 1.6L and 2.0L I4 engines will combine turbos with direct injections and witchcraft to bring 20% increases in fuel economy while still providing the power and torques of a V6.
Eventually, we will replace V8s with the EcoBoost V6s and V6s with the EcoBoost I4s.
Why EcoBoost? Because we have too many engines scattered across the world and VAG has done well with their 1.8T and 2.0T engines in everything from an A2 to Audi TT.
Any word on cylinder deactivation? With direct injection it's easy to do.
Remember when you'd crack open the hood so you could gaze lovingly at the brilliantly sculpted engine, the blazing red valve covers with the flowing sculpted script on them? A gigantic air filter housing pulling through two big snorkels because the engine just pulled that hard?
Lift the lid on a new car and you're lucky if you can see any part of the engine at all. How about we take some pride, again? It's a brilliant engine, put it out there where I can see it. I want to see it.
180hp is pretty good output. Make the new Ranger an actual compact pickup, with plenty of space in the bed for actual cargo, a practical environment in the cab for people who are trying to get things done for a living, and a few creature comforts. Put the Ecoboost four cylinder in there so a working man doesn't break his back trying to keep his work truck fueled up. Give him some eye candy under the hood. We're a gearhead nation. We love what we love - cars, pragmatism and underdogs.
@Elhigh: The engine color is a great call back to the days when engines had character- Ford engines were blue, Chevy engines were red, Chrysler engines orange, etc. (and yes, of course there were exceptions to this). It's a shame when engineers have grown so unable to produce an attractive engine bay that they just hide everything under plastic covers. Give us cool engines and paint them cool colors!
I have a similar engine in my Solstice. 2.0 Liter, 260/260. GM has the computer reflash for 290/290 running 23PSI. Direct injection/higher compression ratio, infinite variable valve timing (lift/rotation), twin scroll turbo all make for quick boost and great mileage I average 30-40MPG.
These are great engines with no lag. The only annoyance is that the twin scroll turbo is tiny and maxed at 320 HP. The computer also limits boost untill it's up to 195 degrees, safe but annoying.
Fuel injectors will need to be be bored -diesel style for more power (330HP+). The fuel system uses an in-tank electric pump and a mechanical pump driven off the crank. When the engine is idling, it does sound like a VW diesel/sewing machine.
I'm sure Ford's engine will be similar but with less power like most GM vs Ford engines.
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"Man gets DUI in EcoBoosted La-Z-Boy"
"I bet a bunch of EcoBoosted engines will fetch a premium a week before racewars"
"Ford, Porsche's new owner, plans to drop an EcoBoost into the 911"
Well, maybe not the last one. #ecoboost
11/03/09
Hell's bells I probably would. Damned global economy always messing up my...no, I hate that meme. #ecoboost
11/03/09
To Ford PR: RE:...a typical hot rod's 302-cubic-inch V-8...
302 isn't "typical". A "typical" hot rod has a Chevy 350. Even if the typical hot rod is a Ford. #ecoboost
11/03/09
But yea, an NOS '32 body? Come on, Ben. Really? #ecoboost
11/03/09
I'm not defending the use of a SBC in a hot rod. I'm merely stating a fact. There are a shitload of them powering everything, even in a large portion of hot rod Fords. #ecoboost
11/03/09
Are you questioning the fact that he claims its NOS?
Not to worry, so am I.
I mean, it's REALLY pretty, but no car stays hidden away for 75 (!) years.
And just to say it again, Man that looks good! #ecoboost
11/03/09
I pick up a few magazines on a regular basis, Vintage Truck being a particular favorite, and a recurring theme in that is restoration vs. "hot rodding." Seems the diehard restoration nuts have no patience for anyone who doesn't get bolts made by the original manufacturer still in business after the automaker contract ran out back in the fifties. The hotrodders are actually restomodders, people who try to retain the original look while updating the vehicle to a more modern standard. You get better driveability, brakes that actually work, and the decent fuel mileage that comes with a modern EFI system. Not all the modders do that, but enough that the restoration nuts just have a cow over it.
Me, I want to be able to hop into that 1950 Ford F1 and fire it right up. No crank-crank-crank, just vroom and off you go. Modern gears, all synchronized. Turn it off and it stops, no puttering and farting to a reluctant halt.
So finding this awesome old coupe with the great shape just rocks. Repowering it with Ford's new halo engine is fantastic. Now it's as powerful a retro ride as you could hope for, it cruises on probably only half the fuel flow it used to - I see no downside here. The diehard restoration guys can sit on it, this is a great project, and I wish it was mine. #ecoboost
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@VeeArrrSix: This would look good on the Jetta.
Good night, you guys! #ecoboost
11/03/09
09/15/09
Also! Where's my EcoBoost V8 that has all the power of a V12?
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Coming in 2010! The All-New Super Amazing High Performance Fuel Saving Four Cylinder EcoBoost! It will bring fuel savings to not just a few thousand...but millions!
The EcoBoost 1.6L and 2.0L I4 engines will combine turbos with direct injections and witchcraft to bring 20% increases in fuel economy while still providing the power and torques of a V6.
Eventually, we will replace V8s with the EcoBoost V6s and V6s with the EcoBoost I4s.
Why EcoBoost? Because we have too many engines scattered across the world and VAG has done well with their 1.8T and 2.0T engines in everything from an A2 to Audi TT.
09/15/09
Any word on cylinder deactivation? With direct injection it's easy to do.
Remember when you'd crack open the hood so you could gaze lovingly at the brilliantly sculpted engine, the blazing red valve covers with the flowing sculpted script on them? A gigantic air filter housing pulling through two big snorkels because the engine just pulled that hard?
Lift the lid on a new car and you're lucky if you can see any part of the engine at all. How about we take some pride, again? It's a brilliant engine, put it out there where I can see it. I want to see it.
180hp is pretty good output. Make the new Ranger an actual compact pickup, with plenty of space in the bed for actual cargo, a practical environment in the cab for people who are trying to get things done for a living, and a few creature comforts. Put the Ecoboost four cylinder in there so a working man doesn't break his back trying to keep his work truck fueled up. Give him some eye candy under the hood. We're a gearhead nation. We love what we love - cars, pragmatism and underdogs.
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Wait, in the top right of the screen I see a confirmed 230 hp, 240 ftlb 4 cylinder. I'm confused!
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07/21/09
These are great engines with no lag. The only annoyance is that the twin scroll turbo is tiny and maxed at 320 HP. The computer also limits boost untill it's up to 195 degrees, safe but annoying.
Fuel injectors will need to be be bored -diesel style for more power (330HP+). The fuel system uses an in-tank electric pump and a mechanical pump driven off the crank. When the engine is idling, it does sound like a VW diesel/sewing machine.
I'm sure Ford's engine will be similar but with less power like most GM vs Ford engines.