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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    The 10 best list from the world's No. 1 irrelevant automotive enthusiast publication.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    I would be happy to own/drive 7 out of those 10, good list. It's interesting that they only included the S4 (not S4/A4), but grouped the M3 in with the 3 series. I'm not arguing, just saying ;)
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    @Turboner: They explain their reasoning in the article.
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    12/03/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Maybe, but I quit reading them a couple of years ago. R&T, too. Car Craft, er Camaro Craft, long before that.
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    Image of 1300ccsoffury 1300ccsoffury
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    Oh those Mazdas just look so happy to be included on that list!
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    I love the Corvette and believe it should ideally be on the 10Best List every year, but it is getting pricier, and the interior of the upcoming Spark is of higher quality, which is pathetic.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    I got this issue last week, and I barely leafed through it before putting it down to rub my eyes. I'm not normally that concerned with magazine aesthetics, but the layout has gotten so fussy and illegible that it just flat sucks to read. And I don't know what look they were going for, but what they've produced is something between special advertising section and quirky housewares catalog.

    And how did they manage to bring back Davis and O'Rourke and still lower the quality of the writing? Instead of the occasional awkward use of a pop culture reference, they now seem to be consciously trying to quilt together as many as possible as some kind of style experiment. I DON'T CARE WHAT A MIDDLE AGED AUTO JOURNALIST THINKS ABOUT PARIS HILTON.
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    Image of Steve_in_NC Steve_in_NC
    12/02/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: I have decided $8.00 per year was too much to pay for car and driver and canceled a 15 yr subsricption run this summer.
    Your dead on with the decay of real wit in the mag. It began to hurt my head to read it. Coveting john phillips was the straw for me.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    @Steve_in_NC: It's 22 years for me, and I'm going to see if they get things evened out. I really was excited to see Davis and O'Rourke back, but they're clearly not going to be providing the bulk of the content. I hope to see some good, young writers there soon.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    No Toyotas. A GM product, a FoMoCo product, no Toyotas. My, my.

    Even with its leg in the trap, GM manages to poop out a car or two that blacks the eye and bloodies the nose of the mighty MB SL63. And I'm looking forward to next year when we may see, instead of a Fit, a Fiesta. That should be fun.
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    Image of Quattro-luvr Quattro-luvr
    12/02/09

    @Elhigh: I'm sure Toyotas CEO will blame America for causing their cars to not be good enough to appear in the list.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/02/09

    @Quattro-luvr: The blame game is the shame game. The simple answer: build great cars. Not necessarily fantastically powerful cars, or quick, or flashy - most people want something that starts every morning, and arrives back in the evening with every part still screwed on. Power and flash are big draws too, though. GM has wrung out of their sclerotic arteries a few drops of real lifeblood, the CTS and -V; the Cobalt is not embarrassing; the Cruze looks to be the next Corolla. If it can keep treading water - or red-hot lava in this case, GM has a shot at recapturing the King of the World crown.

    Assuming they can wrench it away from Ford, who appear to be adjusting the strap to fit their own heads at the moment. Never mind they're trying to fit themselves in there with VW. VW's corporate structure is, in a word, bizarre. VW may be the Emperor Joker but anything can happen. If VW tries to buy itself again and the deal falls through, does that mean they dissolve themselves in a fit of pique?
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/02/09

    @Elhigh: I dunno. While buying/selling yourself in public makes a mess, and is something which would make your mother blush, it's still better than GM's self-maiming habit of amputating all its fingers, on the theory that that will make it stronger...
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/02/09

    @DoctorNine: It's just a flesh wound! Come back here!
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    11/19/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    Really? Bleh.

    Then again, I've never really agreed with MT's choices.
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    I like the Fusion a lot, but is it car of the year material? It's not even all new. I really don't know what Motor Trend is thinking on these "____ Of the Year" awards anymore. They either pick the the lamest, most economical vehicle in the pool (Outback was SUV of the year, WTF?) or something completely ridiculous and irrelevant to most buyers (GTR last year).

    I do not miss my subscription to that magazine. #fordfusion
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    Image of PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287
    11/17/09

    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: They have stated in past articles that it has to be considered "significant changes to the vehicle" not necessarily All-new.

    Too much gray area. #fordfusion
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    If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face promoted this comment PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 was starred PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 was unstarred
    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    11/17/09

    @PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287: Yeah, that's true. And despite 20+ pages of write up about how they chose the winner, the result is usually pretty bogus. At least they combined it with Import COTY about a decade back, preventing crap like the '97 Malibu, '93 Probe and '88 Grand Prix from winning. Seriously, the list of previous winners is a great big cavalcade of suck.

    Also, I can't wait to see what the '10 Truck of the Year is. Did anybody even come out with a new truck this year? That's got to be the most bogus award of all.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    I particularly like the fact that this is a domestic that has pretty nice styling AND the underpinnings to make it worth driving. Ford has to be the domestic with the most on the ball lately. #fordfusion
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    Image of zeeboid zeeboid
    11/18/09

    @DoctorNine: the foreign automobile fanbois aren't going to like to hear people say that.

    why don't you take your love for America and...

    nope, can't do it. I can't even pretend to be a foreign car loving person. #fordfusion
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/18/09

    @zeeboid: I'm kind of a mix. I drive mostly high end cars of many manufacturers. But I really admire great engineering; the kind where the synergy of the design reaches an orgasm of driving enjoyment. It doesn't matter where the design comes from.

    But I don't think people who look at automobiles as some kind of statement of nationalistic pride are really paying attention. No mass manufactured vehicle today is a pristine product of only one country. As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling. Everyone is wearing a mask, and the moves are choreographed for fan enjoyment.

    But this is a good car. No excess baggage with that simple observation.
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    Image of zeeboid zeeboid
    11/18/09

    @DoctorNine: "But I don't think people who look at automobiles as some kind of statement of nationalistic pride are really paying attention"

    I agree with you there. never quite understood why some of the manufactures just can't quite go that little extra mile. example: The 300c and Chargers not having a 6sp, some of the leather in cars obviously inferior, etc.

    "As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling"

    Not so much there. even with that, many fail to take into account all the R&D to get acar to where it is going (90ish % of which is spent within the country of origin) not to mention where the profit is going (country of origin once again) simply put, the company has more invested (in all respects) in its home country, and the home country benifits most from that company's success.

    don't get me wrong, I am all for a global marketplace, and competition. (without competition, you have ntohing but crap because there is no encouragement to do better.)

    And I have never purchased a NEW car so I have never practiced what I preached (Though the only foreign machines i've ever had have been 3/3 motorcycles and 0/15 cars. I have not yet been able to afford a Victory, and Harley Davidsons are too much like Puppies for me (leaving a puddle wherever they go))
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    11/18/09

    @DoctorNine: "But I don't think people who look at automobiles as some kind of statement of nationalistic pride are really paying attention"

    I agree with you there. never quite understood why some of the manufactures just can't quite go that little extra mile. example: The 300c and Chargers not having a 6sp, some of the leather in cars obviously inferior, etc.

    "As such, the global origin of the things makes 'national pride' arguments sort of like Mexican Wrestling"

    Not so much there. even with that, many fail to take into account all the R&D to get acar to where it is going (90ish % of which is spent within the country of origin) not to mention where the profit is going (country of origin once again) simply put, the company has more invested (in all respects) in its home country, and the home country benifits most from that company's success.

    don't get me wrong, I am all for a global marketplace, and competition. (without competition, you have ntohing but crap because there is no encouragement to do better.)

    And I have never purchased a NEW car so I have never practiced what I preached (Though the only foreign machines i've ever had have been 3/3 motorcycles and 0/15 cars. I have not yet been able to afford a Victory, and Harley Davidsons are too much like Puppies for me (leaving a puddle wherever they go))
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    Image of akirachan akirachan
    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    It's about time the Americans took some prizes back from the Germans and the Asians. Afterall, it gets boring to see the same guys winning all the time.

    Question: Does the Fusion have any relations to the Six?
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    Brian promoted this comment Edited by akirachan at 11/17/09 5:49 PM akirachan was starred akirachan was unstarred
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    11/17/09

    @akirachan: If you mean the Mazda 6, then yes it does. They share platforms. #fordfusion
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    MotorTrend can go to hell, but the Fusion can go to hell and back. I've yet to hear about any bad news from owners up here, and that's saying something.

    If a car can handle Alaska, it can pretty much handle anything. #fordfusion
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    11/17/09

    @Ford Tempo Fanatic: That's not trial by fire, it's trial by frost heave. And mile upon mile of frozen tundra.

    I'm originally from Minnesota, so I kinda know where you're coming from, but around there if you get stuck in a drift help will be by probably within a week. For you guys, spring.

    Maybe. #fordfusion
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    11/17/09

    @Elhigh: Which is why its a good thing me, and most of Alaska's natives, choose Ford Tempos for their daily drivers. Those things put almost everything else to shame in the snow, while being reliable enough to get you home and back.

    I speak from experience. ;) #fordfusion
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    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    I remember in the early eighties when Motor Trend named the Renault AMC Alliance as Car of the Year. I never trusted their judgment after that. #fordfusion
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/17/09

    @Flathead Smith: Yeah. I almost bought one of those things too. --shudders-- #fordfusion
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    Image of Brian Brian
    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    I bought my '10 Fusion a couple months back. With less than 2500 miles on the clock , it's a bit too early to be certain but so far I have not suffered the slightest twinge of buyer's remorse.

    I bought a black SE with the 2.5 ltr I4 and MS Synch, sunroof and parking sensors (it was a package, I think). I opted for the I4 for the mileage (I've consistently seen 31-32mpg on the hwy) and had no need for the AWD (I live in Southern California, after all), I am amazed at how well the I4 and 6-speed slush box motivates the Fusion. I'm absolutely thrilled with the way the car drives. The lighter weight mil gives the car better balance than the V6 version and the car handles much better than I had hoped, feeling quite planted in the curves. When I tested the V6 it felt a bit nose-heavy. The only feature I wish the car had is "manual mode" for the slushie.

    So yeah, good on ya Ford! Don't worry about the Camcord out selling this car. Keep up the good work and that won't last.
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    Image of haroldmesa haroldmesa
    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    Too bad I can only get a strippo version with stick. #fordfusion
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/17/09

    @haroldmesa: Not true. While the base model S does come with the I4 with manual 6 speed, you can also get a very nicely equipped SE model with the I4/manual powertrain as well.

    Check it out:

    [bp2.forddirect.fordvehicles.com] #fordfusion
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    Image of haroldmesa haroldmesa
    11/18/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Well, that's very nice. But, what if I want the V6? Stick shoudl be mated to a powerful engine. not an I4.

    #tips
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    11/17/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    Too bad.

    Not that it wins Car of the Year - just the Motor Trend association. #fordfusion
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