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    80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    Ben, you shouldn't be giving this toad Jalopnik time.

    There are better, more enchanting, sideshows.
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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    Brace yourselves gentlemen.


    According to the gas chromatograph, the secret ingredient is... Love!?!


    Who's been screwing with this thing?

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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    Here is a list of 7 Warning Signs of Quack Science.

    [www.quackwatch.org]


    I count 5 out of 7.

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    Image of dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
    10/30/08

    @Mad_Science: that site is quack. they say that organic food is the same as non-organic. probably sponsored by Monsanto.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    10/30/08

    @the artist formerly known as dolo54: To be honest, I'm not sure if you're joking.


    I'm not aware of any peer-reviewed articles that have shown organic food to be verifiably better for you, all other things equal.


    As I understand it, most of the benefits come from the fact that organic foods are more susceptible to spoilage and contamination, meaning they tend to be fresher and handled more carefully.

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    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
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    Image of bradyb bradyb
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    I heard that he has already been paid off by Exxon who purchased his technology for 30 million. Evil oil companies will mothball his Fox body in their secret high mileage warehouse where it will never to be seen again.
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    Image of akier akier
    10/30/08

    @bradyb: lol. you know that my girlfriend's dad, who is a really intelligent man who won't buy anything without putting in about 10 hours of hardcore research, told me the other day that his 'uncle invented a high mileage engine that GM bought out the patents for and left it on the shelf.'


    you know an urban legend has legs when people think it involves their own families!

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    10/30/08

    @akier: There have been several debunkings of this urban legend over the years, but I recall one years ago that actually had a representative from GM saying there was a glimmer of truth to it. GM has purchased patents for "high-economy" or "high-efficiency" engines, as have other major manufacturers. In some cases, only after years of study did they realize that the technology is sound, but, for instance, the tolerances are way too fine to allow mass production. Or it's stupidly efficient, but it can't rev above 850 RPMs, so the powerband is too narrow for anything less than a 25-speed transmission. For whatever reason, with current technology, it won't work, but they keep it around in case they can use it ten years from now. Look at VW's G-lader supercharger. They hung onto that technology for, what, 60 years before they found a use for it?
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    Image of elwood elwood
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    Yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and call BS on this one. I just don't have that much faith in a garage "inventor" coming up with a truly revolutionary technology like this before any one of the numerous actual research groups do.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/30/08

    @elwood: It's not even that, so much, as the complete lack of major attention--if it really were a better mousetrap--or even a plausible better mousetrap--the world would have already beaten a path to his door.
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    Image of Don't bother reading this Don't bother reading this
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    400 horses and the guy drives the car like a senior citizen. Hmmm.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    10/30/08

    @Guzzle-lean: you don't get 100 MPG if you romp on it. I'll bet it idles at 60 MPH in top gear.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    10/30/08

    @Mike the Dog: ...and you don't get 400 hp if you don't romp on it.
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    Fuel me once, shame on you. Fuel me twice...we won't get fueled again!
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    Image of WheatKing WheatKing
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    it's all very possible.. the trick is to try and turn as much heat as possible into work. it could be that he's running a very very lean burn in a very high compression engine.. but.. the real trick in all of this, is will it pass a sniffer.


    Normal car companies (the hondas, fords, gms, chryslers, toypliance) of the world have to meet not only cafe regulations, they have to meet EPA regs as well.


    cars would be a hell of a lot more fuel efficient if the epa regs weren't so stringent. but there is the crux of the problem.. what's more important, using less oil, or preventing the oil that's being burnt from forming gases like NOx.


    lean burn = high NOx.


    he might have a working high mpg engine, but it can't probably go into production because the EPA would shitcan it before it even got close to a sniffer.

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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    10/30/08

    @WheatKing: One flaw to your argument:


    Many states don't require inspections. So couldn't he pretty easily set up a conversion business in those places? He could charge a small fortune, as long as customers recouped their costs within a year or two of fuel savings.


    The REAL business is in the OEM, but like you said, OEMs have to manufacturer to the lowest common denominator on standards (CARB/EPA, etc)

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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    I would love to believe this is legit. If he's truly done it, he deserves all of the millions that he'll get, and we should have one of his engines in every vehicle manufactured.


    Sadly, my understanding of thermodynamics won't allow me to believe it.


    I do have to admire the guy's moxy. Would you be soliciting the media knowing full well that you'll be revealed as a fraud?

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    Image of Maxichamp Maxichamp
    10/30/08

    @smalleyxb122: It appears that the media and Governor of Ohio are quite gullible. God bless them.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    10/30/08

    @smalleyxb122: I dunno,there's no shortage of fruitcakes claiming to have footage of Bigfoot,& when the tv crews turn up it just a guy with a couple of dead Racoons & a Badger stapled to him.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    10/30/08

    @Maxichamp: Oh, it's not whether he can convince a reporter that you've done it. He has to know that the stories can only work for so long before it becomes "put up or shut up".


    I wonder what his end game is? Burn down his garage before any testing can begin, and claim a conspiracy?


    "...and all of the blueprints were in that scorched cabinet right there, so I can't even build another one.

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    Image of Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
    10/30/08

    @smalleyxb122: Minor quibble:
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    10/30/08

    @Slant- sick of the Camaro: Thanks. I was gonna call him on that too. A friend was out east last month, and brought me back a case. I'll be needing more soon...
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    10/30/08

    @Slant- sick of the Camaro: @Mike the Dog: My deepest apologies for misspelling Moxie. I will now finish my Mountain Do.
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    Image of Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
    10/30/08

    @smalleyxb122: Yurk- Mountain Doodoo.. Now that shit's gross.
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    Image of elwood elwood
    10/30/08

    @smalleyxb122: Yep, any engine that produces power from two different temperature reservoirs (which includes the Otto cycle we all know and love), has a maximum efficiency of 1-(T_cold/T_hot), where the temperatures are measured in an absolute temperature scale. Plus, at that maximum efficiency, the engine is making no power, as the rate processes in the cycle have to take infinitely long. Maximum power for the cycle is produced at an efficiency of 1-sqrt(T_cold/T_hot). This guy's claims really don't sound very likely at all.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/30/08

    @smalleyxb122: Mountain D'oh!
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    10/30/08

    @elwood: Oh, god, is there going to be a test on this?!
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    Image of layabout layabout
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    I also echo the thoughts of other commenters when it comes to his mpg claims. What's that smell,sniff,it's not pigs,sniff sniff,it's not cows,sniff,ahhh it's bullshit!
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    Image of Maxichamp Maxichamp
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    He's full of SHITe.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    The guy is clearly a very skilled man,the downside is having to drive everywhere at 10mph & clogging up the roads. The point of a 400bhp car is to give it some beans,don't take the fun out of it!
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    10/30/08

    In reply to 80 MPG 400 HP '87 Mustang X Prize Contestant Heading To SEMA
    I'm a believer in the aggregate intelligence of the free market. If this guy is for real, he would have been killed or paid off before anyone else ever knew about it. Like the movie Pi.
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    Image of Dr. H. F. Danger Dr. H. F. Danger
    10/30/08

    @Ash78: I still cringe when I see a drill these days.
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    Image of rjp: This is my rebuttal rjp: This is my rebuttal
    10/30/08

    @Dr.Danger, Hasta la victoria siempre!: No one believes me, but the scene following the drill scene was originally in color. I saw it in a theater and it was in color, and later when I rented the tape, it was in B&W. I was confused to say the least, but I'm pretty sure they also keep it in B&W on the DVD release as well.
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    Image of Dr. H. F. Danger Dr. H. F. Danger
    10/30/08

    @rjp: Suuuuure, I believe you.
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