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    How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches

    Inside Project M: First Chapter of Supercar Designer Jason Castriota’s New Project

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    Image of Armand Armand
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    I've been hanging around with a lot of Alfa enthusiasts lately, and looking at old Alfas is a good way to understand the whole Pininfarina/Bertone divide. Look at a Duetto (boat-tail) Alfa Spider, designed by Battista Pininfarina. It's all convex curves, except for the concave section halfway up the side-- cut off the windshield and it'd look a bit like a wheeled torpedo. Then look at a "step-nose" Giulia GTV, designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro, who might disagree with Peter's assertion that Gandini was the most influential designer at Bertone. It's curvaceous too, but it's much more muscular and aggressive. The two cars are both recognizably "Alfa-ish," but they're completely different from a stylistic perspective. This is awfully surprising, considering they're basically the same car under the skin. Luckily, we don't have to choose just one.
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    Image of Feny Feny
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    I loved that Quattroporte! My uncle had that Quattroporte in dark blue with a beige interior - it was gorgeous. I was surprised to see a Viennese license plate on the car that seems to be parked in the czech republic. Then again it's not particularly far to drive ;)
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    Image of Peter Orosz Peter Orosz
    05/08/09

    @Feny: It's actually Budapest, Hungary, and in that Quattroporte, it would take little more than an hour from Vienna.
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    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    Bravo, Peter.
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    Image of Mr_Sives_Remotoc Mr_Sives_Remotoc
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    Great article as always, it's a pleasure to read you Peter!

    I don't know when Marcello first used the "Angular Rear Wheelarch", but if we look at the '70 Lancia Stratos Zero concept, which was unveiled 1 year before the Countach, we can see a kind of.

    Regarding the use of this feature on the Mantide...I always considered this feature as Gandini's signature more than Bertone's signature, because Marcello used it during his years at Bertone of course, but also later, as an independent designer (Quattroporte, Diablo, CiZeta V16T, etc.).

    I mean, it's historically correct that today we have Bertone's cars featuring "Angular Rear Wheelarches", but in my opinion, being Marcello a famous designer, and being still alive and active, I wouldn't have used (stolen?) his signature as a sign of respect for one of the best car designers ever. What do you think about?
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    Image of Peter Orosz Peter Orosz
    05/12/09

    @Mr_Sives_Remotoc: I don't think it's stealing at all. In fact, I take it as a sign of respect for the man who held Castriota's chair.
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    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    Another Bertone:



    Sorry.

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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    Once again, superb prose, Mr. Orosz. Although the Pininfarina/Bertone analogy, which would've been apt 10 years ago, is no longer valid as Pininfarina's design these days have been a mixed bag. Their designs are no longer graceful (perhaps with the exception of the GranTurismo) and they are adorned with fuctional ugliness/ugly functionality without the critical sense of timeless beauty. Ironically, Jason Castriota and Ken Okuyama were instrumental in this.


    And I must lament the fact that you would associate the Mantide with the Countach. Mr. Castriota no doubt has more Bertone in him than Pininfarina, but other than the fact that both are extreme interpretation of car design, I see no real connection.


    The eccentric wheel arches are a Gandini (my all time hero, even more than Fioravanti, or Giugiaro) trademark, and the Mantide's just seems like a poor copy made from a cellphone picture, or rather a errant style addition to the mess that is the Mantide.

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    Image of drewdrawshashtags drewdrawshashtags
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    I think the LP500's wheel arches are an evolution of the design for the Lancia Stratos concept from 1970. In fact, I think Marcello pulled as much of that as he could into the Lambo.


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    Image of Joshuman Joshuman
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    Classic corporate design touches are great in my opinion. However, like anything else in design, it is good to break the rules once in a while.

    Not here:



    I would suggest that it doesn't look good on the Maserati mentioned by Peter.

    It does look good on these two though:
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    05/08/09

    @joshman has hearts again: In fairness, the 262C does look a little less bizarre with the single Euro headlights.


    A little.

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    Image of .357 .357
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    OH MY GOD...
    That Maserati..
    Its GREAT...
    It's like U-BOAT+CAR
    I..Want..ONE
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    05/07/09

    @.357: all that.. and its STILL A FUCKIN CHEVY..
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    05/07/09

    @Prius went loco, killed Insight and Fusion.: FUCKIN...CHEVY..
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    05/07/09

    @.357: Who needs MASERATIS ANYWAY.. PRIUS HYBRIDS/VEHICLES FOR ALL!!
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    Image of RegalRegalia RegalRegalia
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    and how can you not have an espada pic?!
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    05/07/09

    @RegalRegalia Mantide for nice price or crack pipe!: Image comments FTW!




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    05/07/09

    @Mobius_1: Your post made me look: [cgi.ebay.com]
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    Image of Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    Grokked? You use the word grokked one day before the release of the new film. Get a life.
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    Image of snarktastic snarktastic
    05/07/09

    @Tiberiuswise:


    Uberfail. Idiot.

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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    05/07/09

    @snarktastic: That was way harsh, Tai.
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    05/07/09

    @Prius went loco, killed Insight and Fusion.:


    ?

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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    05/07/09

    @snarktastic, Unevolved: Nope. While I do read Questionable Content, you guys need to brush up on your mid-'90s teen comedy skillz!
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    05/07/09

    @Tiberiuswise: ingergale and bootreer for you my friend!!
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    05/07/09

    In reply to How The Stile Bertone Mantide Got Angular Rear Wheelarches
    I could marry you, Orosz, if it were legal..
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    05/07/09

    @Prius went loco, killed Insight and Fusion.:


    It is now, in Maine.

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    Image of Joshuman Joshuman
    05/07/09

    @unSonidodelSueño amores Cinco De Mayo: Everything but marriage here in Washington.
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    05/07/09

    @joshman 'Stinky' jalopman has his ears on: Thanks, great, the two contiguous states farthest from mine.
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    Image of 1300ccsoffury 1300ccsoffury
    03/09/09

    In reply to Inside Project M: First Chapter of Supercar Designer Jason Castriota’s New Project
    Under that tarp in an anonymous parking lot, it looks like a PCH project put on hold.
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    Image of Leeeeena the Jalopchick Leeeeena the Jalopchick
    03/09/09

    In reply to Inside Project M: First Chapter of Supercar Designer Jason Castriota’s New Project
    Yeah, I'm going to wait for the strip tease to progress a little further.
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    Image of voodoojoo voodoojoo
    03/09/09

    In reply to Inside Project M: First Chapter of Supercar Designer Jason Castriota’s New Project
    Why do supercars even have those door-mounted mirrors anymore? I thought the Zonda F showed the world how to make pretty mirrors and that was that.
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