@DoogieFullHouser: I've been trying, but I haven't amassed more than twenty hours with an instructor, and that after three years. It's just way too expensive.
Sean's custom biplane reminded me of the Pitts he exhausted the capabilities of. The Pitts reminds me of one of the coolest biplanes...ever. The Beechcraft Model 17 Staggerwing. On the Beech, the bottom wing is more forward, opposite on the Pitts or Oracle Challenger, but it's a really cool look.
The Staggerwing was a popular model in the '30s air races. It won the 1933 Texaco Trophy Race and won the Bendix trophy in 1936 and came in 3rd in 1938.
Modern air shows and the Red Bull Air Race series keep the spirit of early aviation alive.
@engineerd: That isn't one of the coolest biplanes ever, it's one of the coolest aircraft, ever. That, the old Kaydetts, Stratoliners, and Constellations are some of my favorite aircraft.
@engineerd: Speaking of cool biplanes and modern airshows, I'd have to say this is one of the coolest modern biplanes currently in use. Does speeds averaging around 250mph at Reno, keeping it at the top of the Gold in the biplane class.
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Tucker's plane is a one-of-a-kind. He's got a forest of ailerons on those wings in order to make the plane do things that planes really aren't supposed to do.
It's also damned fast, as biplanes go. Don't forget, that thing can gain speed going straight up. There's not many planes that do that.
According to wikipedia - which means it might be 100% BS, but in this case we have photographic evidence suggesting otherwise - Tucker is the ONLY civvie permitted to fly in close formation with the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds.
@pauljones: i guess if you also think of the ground as something large and friendly that you can crash into, it makes breaking the laws of physics a lot more stressful
@Clown Shoe Pilot: When flying, the idea of a point of reference is that you're NOT supposed to come into contact with those; they serve to help you get your bearings.
@pres: I was going to say that we ought to give a great deal of credit to that Blue Angels pilot as well; keeping any fighter jet stable at that speed is quite an accomplishment, though the Hornet is one of the easiest to control at such low speeds.
@pauljones: I've seen a Hornet (Super Hornet, to be particular) fly so slow it looked like it was trying to find a parking space. But its nose was also pointed about 60 degrees vertically off of its heading. This is a cool picture...wish we had it in high-res. Oh, and I also wish we knew what platform it was being shot from...maybe the two-seater Blue Angel?
@Jeb_Hoge: That's what makes fighters so difficult to control.
The fourth generation fighters (F-14, F-15, F-16, and F/A-18) could be flown at very high speeds, and at very low speeds. The difficulty is that when flying at those speeds, the plane loses a lot of light, and the only way to maximize lift at those speeds is to fly with a high angle of attack (AOA).
Of them, the F-14 and the F/A-18 were the most impressive. Due to their need to operate from an aircraft carrier, their low-speed performance was almost unmatched for a great many years. The F-14 in particular was interesting because you could still fly it, even with the wings stalled; the shape of its body created a blended lifting surface, and 40% of the F-14's lift actually came from the aircraft's body, not the wings. That's why the F-14 surprised a lot of people with how agile it was.
One standard for armchair estimating a plane's agility is to calculate its wingload, i.e., how much weight does the aircraft carry per square foot of lifting area. Going by wing area alone, the Tomcat came out to around 96lbs/square foot, which is terrible. But if you went by total lifting area, including the body, it came out to be around 48lbs/square foot, which is superb.
@duurtlang: It depends on the weight of the engine. The engine in Tucker's plane is extremely light to help it achieve the power-to-weight ratio that it has. The Subaru engine may be too heavy.
@duurtlang: You mean putting the aircraft engine in the Subaru, right? Because NO Subaru engine can match the engine in that plane. I can't find specs anywhere but max HP output is achieved under 3,000rpm in most aircraft engines. Find me a (gasoline) auto engine that puts out 400hp under 3,000rpm and I'll tear up with joy.
@Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car!: That's not too difficult, especially if an equivalent octane rating is used. I'm sure there are a few mills out there that touch on 400 hp on their way up through the powerband...but it is apples to oranges. Boat motors are a more accurate comparison benchmark as they have to sustain a constant rpm much like aircraft do.
@Skink: A few years ago, before I got had to get a job, go to school full time, and got really interested in motorcycles, I probably could have given you a break down.
@pauljones: I'll help you out. The lift in the 'lifting body' of a stalled F-14 is de minimis, uncontrollable, and not 'flyable' by any serious definition.
One of the coolest variants of the F-18 is the X-53 Active Aeroelastic Wing research craft used by NASA. I actually got to see it at NASA Dryden many years ago when it was being prepped for flight. Basically, it is a F/A-18 with a wing more similar to the original wing. This wing was replaced early on in the development because it was too thin and not rigid enough. They took a pair of these wings and modified them with actuators and controllers. They can then warp the wing shape in flight which changes the flight dynamics of the aircraft. It's pretty cool stuff for aero weenies like me.
@pauljones: Yeah, that is a bizarre aircraft, but totally cool. In my senior design project in college we wound up using canards on our airplane for stability. Our payload was located such that a traditional tailplane was unstable due to the rotation about the CG.
That is one sexy jet, though. Not as sexy as the F-14 that went before it, which remains the Megan Fox of fighter jets, but I wouldn't say no to a chance to take one of these for a spin.
@BaconSandwich: One misshapen thumb. One. And you know what? Misshapen thumb or no, you'd be all over that, and so would I; just like I'd be all over an F-14A, TF30s or not.
@The5thElephant: Umm...do you have any familiarity with the F-14 design at all?
The F-14 is actually extremely agile at low speeds, so much so that baring the S-3, it was one of the easiest jets to land on a carrier. Granted, the F/A-18 has a slightly better instantaneous turn rate, but that has more to do with the fact it has a FBW system, while the F-14 is hydraulic.
Also, I, too, like my planes the way I like my women: once I turn the throttle up, I like them to be able to go for a while. Not something that F/A-18 can do all that well.
@pauljones: The FBW system on the F/A-18 is still hydraulic. The difference is the computer controls the valves on the F/A-18 and on the F-14 mechanical cables control the valves.
Back in '99 similar thing happened to me in SF, although my vantage point was on the ground. Was in the middle of an ad briefing on the company patio in the Levi plaza when the Blue Angels weaved between the towers overhead during their practice run. Those guys have the best jobs in the world.
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Ooooh, I like this comments thread. This must be where all the airheads hang out.
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It is pretty crazy to see a prop plane do it, though. Same principle, but you generally don't associate that much thrust with a prop.
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The Staggerwing was a popular model in the '30s air races. It won the 1933 Texaco Trophy Race and won the Bendix trophy in 1936 and came in 3rd in 1938.
Modern air shows and the Red Bull Air Race series keep the spirit of early aviation alive.
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@engineerd: Speaking of cool biplanes and modern airshows, I'd have to say this is one of the coolest modern biplanes currently in use. Does speeds averaging around 250mph at Reno, keeping it at the top of the Gold in the biplane class.
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I wonder if he had time to take a polaroid of the F/A-18 pilot.
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It's also damned fast, as biplanes go. Don't forget, that thing can gain speed going straight up. There's not many planes that do that.
According to wikipedia - which means it might be 100% BS, but in this case we have photographic evidence suggesting otherwise - Tucker is the ONLY civvie permitted to fly in close formation with the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds.
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@Elhigh: "forest of ailerons"...no joke. Look at how big the control surfaces are on that plane. It's a wonder it doesn't just rip apart mid-manuever.
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Truly one of the best I've ever seen.
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When you are flying like that, the ground is simple a point of reference, nothing more.
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The fourth generation fighters (F-14, F-15, F-16, and F/A-18) could be flown at very high speeds, and at very low speeds. The difficulty is that when flying at those speeds, the plane loses a lot of light, and the only way to maximize lift at those speeds is to fly with a high angle of attack (AOA).
Of them, the F-14 and the F/A-18 were the most impressive. Due to their need to operate from an aircraft carrier, their low-speed performance was almost unmatched for a great many years. The F-14 in particular was interesting because you could still fly it, even with the wings stalled; the shape of its body created a blended lifting surface, and 40% of the F-14's lift actually came from the aircraft's body, not the wings. That's why the F-14 surprised a lot of people with how agile it was.
One standard for armchair estimating a plane's agility is to calculate its wingload, i.e., how much weight does the aircraft carry per square foot of lifting area. Going by wing area alone, the Tomcat came out to around 96lbs/square foot, which is terrible. But if you went by total lifting area, including the body, it came out to be around 48lbs/square foot, which is superb.
/Plane nerd.
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This just screams for an engine swap! Preferably with the subi 360.
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Have you ever seen the HiMAT demonstrators? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiMAT
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I like my planes the way I like my women, slim, sleek, maneuverable, and not TOO fast, with properly angled vertical stabilizers = F/A-18.
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The F-14 is actually extremely agile at low speeds, so much so that baring the S-3, it was one of the easiest jets to land on a carrier. Granted, the F/A-18 has a slightly better instantaneous turn rate, but that has more to do with the fact it has a FBW system, while the F-14 is hydraulic.
Also, I, too, like my planes the way I like my women: once I turn the throttle up, I like them to be able to go for a while. Not something that F/A-18 can do all that well.
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Clever.
Not much of a lawn, however.
Is someone having fun with tilt-shift-esque lenses?
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