This article illustrates why -- for all their effort-- the Japanese have never cracked the full size truck market in the US. US manufactures know their customers and are constantly innovating to fill even the smallest niches. The guy buying a work truck, knows his wants and needs; his wants are very specific, and his needs are non-negotiable. One look at the permutations of capability, color, options, power-trains (including diesels and hybrids) of the domestic vs import brands, and it is clear that Detroit will give no quarter in the full size truck business.
I can't help but wonder how different the last three decades would have been, had Detroit had been this serious about the automobile business. #fordf150svtraptor
Wow, that was like reading War and Peace. Except it was Ford and MoPar.
Both of these monsters are far removed from my daily activities, but I have a friend with a big red Super Duty and I was really impressed with its brute+creature comforts set up. What's in my future is a ratted up pre-72, most likely, but if I win the lottery, I'll definitely purchase one of these to carry my money around in. #fordf150svtraptor
Several Years ago the Dodge Power Wagon was/is the closest I’ve ever come to owning a new vehicle, the killer for me was it was not optioned with a diesel.
Does anyone know why there is no diesel option with the Power Wagon? #fordf150svtraptor
@Flathead Smith: That's easy. The truck is designed as a go anywhere offroader. The Cummins would add too much weight making it the truck less capable. Not saying you can't 4 wheel in a diesel but the lighter the bette. Why doesn't NASCAR use a diesel?
I would loove one of these Raptors here in Mongolia, where i have miles of unsupervised land to hoon free, but for now i have to make do with my turbodiesel stick shift Mitsu Delica. #fordf150svtraptor
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Rocking a turbodiesel MMC Delica with stick was starred
Rocking a turbodiesel MMC Delica with stick was unstarred
Their fair and balanced compo plays to the Ford's strengths (off road hoonage) but I'd still opt for the more useful Ram Ram. I'm one of those crazy folks who drives the truck when he needs it and something else when he doesn't. #fordf150svtraptor
@myasir: It's a pickup truck, of course it's tacky. And I think the Ford looks a thousand times better than that Dodge, which looks indistinguishable from any garden variety '94 Dodge pickup. #fordf150svtraptor
@myasir: If you want something a little more subtle, you can always go with black instead of orange (or red, in this case). It tones down the grill and such as well. Also, you can check the "delete graphics" option, too. #fordf150svtraptor
I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.
@Ray Wert: I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.
@Ray Wert: I'd say there's a difference between a press release that you somehow had an exclusive on and original content like the Edmunds walkaround. Particularly given that it's their picture.
You still have no excuse for copying their last line.
Also, there's this whole concept of taking the high road, being the setting the better example. Just a thought.
For starters, it wasn't a press release. We interviewed him. The quote from our Q&A is just as much a product of our hard work as their sentence is.
Secondly, if we'd taken the low road we would have run the story sans credit. Edmunds gets credit on this. In fact, we give them credit fully above the jump on our front page. They gave us credit too. Buried a bit, but they still gave it to us.
You see, we're not arguing that they stole our story. We're arguing that if they want links where credit is given, they need to do the same with us. That's called being fair.
@Ray Wert: Fair enough on the Press release Vs Interview. That's roughly fair tit-for-tat that they excerpted your quote and you grabbed their picture without a direct photo credit.
Your line of argument here suggests to me that you intentionally created the post as a response to them picking up on your exclusive Delorean thing without a link.
I still contend that taking the high road and being the better man is preferable to sinking to the levels of others.
That's all debatable, but the big one for me is:
They end with "lift with the knees" and you do the same. No quotes, no attribution. You put this forward like it's your own clever idea.
From a creative integrity standpoint that's pretty weak.
@Mad_Science: No offense, but I think you're seriously overreacting. The "lift with the knees" line is so trite as to be incapable of original attribution and unworthy of any other kind of attribution. It's no different with ending a weather story with "hot enough for ya?"
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@snapoversteer should STFU because: I admit that it's small, but it's like when your friend copies some joke or something that you just delivered. It's just not cool.
As far as making a big thing out of this, I observed that Ray didn't put a link over to the content he was referring to and pointed out that he copied the line. He brought up the not-linking pissing match justification.
...and since I keep harping on taking the high road and I'm not into abusing dead equines, I'm checking out of this little debate.
the 31x10.5x15s on my pathfinder weighed in around 100lbs. It was a bitch to get them mounted when you had a spare. At nearly 10x that weight, that is an utter joke. I mean, even 300lbs is well above most people's lifting capacity. Ford better crank out an onstar service pretty quick, or there will be alot of pissed off dead people in the middle of the desert.
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I can't help but wonder how different the last three decades would have been, had Detroit had been this serious about the automobile business. #fordf150svtraptor
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First was the E-350, then the MK-whatever SUV heap-O-ugly, and recently the MKX, which is borderline caricature.
Damnit! My picture upload isn't working, again.
Stupid hamsters...always going on strike and fucking up my pictures. #fordf150svtraptor
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Both of these monsters are far removed from my daily activities, but I have a friend with a big red Super Duty and I was really impressed with its brute+creature comforts set up. What's in my future is a ratted up pre-72, most likely, but if I win the lottery, I'll definitely purchase one of these to carry my money around in. #fordf150svtraptor
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Does anyone know why there is no diesel option with the Power Wagon? #fordf150svtraptor
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That attitude is wholly un-American (and rational).
But yeah, if I needed a truck, it would be a 2nd or 3rd vehicle, and given the choice here, I'd go for the Dodge. #fordf150svtraptor
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In a perfect world, its a perfect match. #fordf150svtraptor
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@myasir: If you want something a little more subtle, you can always go with black instead of orange (or red, in this case). It tones down the grill and such as well. Also, you can check the "delete graphics" option, too. #fordf150svtraptor
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It's just we thought "no link" is the new link etiquette these days from Edmunds given their recent non-linkage to us on our stories:
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I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.
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Kudos!!
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You still have no excuse for copying their last line.
Also, there's this whole concept of taking the high road, being the setting the better example. Just a thought.
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For starters, it wasn't a press release. We interviewed him. The quote from our Q&A is just as much a product of our hard work as their sentence is.
Secondly, if we'd taken the low road we would have run the story sans credit. Edmunds gets credit on this. In fact, we give them credit fully above the jump on our front page. They gave us credit too. Buried a bit, but they still gave it to us.
You see, we're not arguing that they stole our story. We're arguing that if they want links where credit is given, they need to do the same with us. That's called being fair.
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Your line of argument here suggests to me that you intentionally created the post as a response to them picking up on your exclusive Delorean thing without a link.
I still contend that taking the high road and being the better man is preferable to sinking to the levels of others.
That's all debatable, but the big one for me is:
They end with "lift with the knees" and you do the same. No quotes, no attribution. You put this forward like it's your own clever idea.
From a creative integrity standpoint that's pretty weak.
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As far as making a big thing out of this, I observed that Ray didn't put a link over to the content he was referring to and pointed out that he copied the line. He brought up the not-linking pissing match justification.
...and since I keep harping on taking the high road and I'm not into abusing dead equines, I'm checking out of this little debate.
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Metric shit-ton BTW...
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"Hey, Triple-A??? Yeah, I'm out here stuck with a flat - can you send a tow truck... and a truss?"
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