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uUtan
07/01/09

In reply to F-22 Raptor Breaks Sound Barrier On Camera
Yea, great picture. Our current enemies have no jets. How many gazillion did this picture cost? Universal health care is too expensive. No debt in the Bush years.
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beercheck
07/02/09

@uUtan: Think.
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smalleyxb122
07/01/09

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My math has the F-150 Raptor at 128 better.
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beercheck
07/01/09

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Hit up youtube for "breaking sound barrier" and such. Loads of videos cooler than that photo last I checked, usually on special "fly-by" days on carriers.
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beercheck
07/01/09

@beercheck: Such as....

[www.youtube.com]
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tenbeers
07/02/09

@beercheck: and

mmm... sound
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eggwich del fiero
07/01/09

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Yeah, but no manual transmission and an outdated SatNav system equals FAIL. Better off picking up a used BMW.

/jalopnik stereotypes.
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KTown_WhiteBoy
07/01/09

@eggwich del fiero: 'Ring time?
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eggwich del fiero
07/01/09

@KTown_WhiteBoy: Dang, forgot ring time. Add in two buff right outs, one bruce, and camino-ize (the verb) used somehow.
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Syrax
07/01/09

@eggwich del fiero ttt!: Jalopmemes are starting to grow. There was no driveway time either.
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Steffi
07/01/09

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Can someone explain the physics behind this photo? I understand the 'boom', but what exactly is the flash and how is it caputured on film?
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Ben Wojdyla
07/01/09

@Steffi: Though it's been explained, I have to chime in as fluid dynamics was my favorite subject in school. What you're seeing is water coming out of solution, a novel concept for the uninitiated.

The "Humidity" you always hear about means the nothing more than the relative amount of water per unit volume of air. Water is naturally soluble in air, and its status as a soluable is dependent on temperature, pressure, and volume. Vary any of the three the appropriate way and the water in the solution may condense.

When a plane passes through the air, it introduces a substantial variation in local pressure, especially at the wing tips. The drop in pressure yields conditions which result in the water coming out of solution, resulting in localized "fog," thus the contrails at the wingtips.

When the plane goes supersonic, it introduces a much more complex phenomenon commonly known as a shock wave, wherein the planes physical surface creates a conical pressure wave which depressurizes the air around it, creating the same localized "fog."
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elwood
07/01/09

@Ben Wojdyla: Good lord, I don't believe I've ever actually met anyone whose favorite subject was fluid dynamics.
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Ben Wojdyla
07/01/09

@elwood: It's highly dependent on the competence of the professor. There's no logic in counting courses at Kettering including fluid dynamics, differential equations, mechatronics, material science, circuits, finite element analysis and thermodynamics as favorite subjects while multivariate calculus, circuits lab, organic chem, and dynamic systems analysis 2 are horror shows of sanctioned cribbing and guessing.
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the good dr zero
07/02/09

@elwood: That's what I was thinking as well. Who in their right mind really likes fluid dynamics (other than Ben)?
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Dr. H. F. Danger
07/01/09

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That makes my cry American tears.

YOU GO PLANE!
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Sigsworth
04/22/09

In reply to F22 Raptor Gets Fragged By T-38 Training Jet
Just to be clear, I don't mean the Jalopnik article. I'm just ranting based on imagined biases. I can't view the video so I have no idea what it says.
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beercheck
04/22/09

@Sigsworth: I was gonna say...

I appreciate your point, but this situation didn't justify arguing it. There was no "reporter" here. The video is simply an alleged T-38's gunnery footage. There was no "imagined bias" other than our (the readers') own.

Plus, you keep spelling "T-38" wrong..
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Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
04/22/09

In reply to F22 Raptor Gets Fragged By T-38 Training Jet
COOL STORY, BRO.
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beercheck
04/22/09

In reply to F22 Raptor Gets Fragged By T-38 Training Jet
Just posting this photo because I love this photo. And it kindasorta relates.

Swiss F-5 fighter taxiing through a village between runway and cavern bunker at the reserve airfield Turtmann:

Source: [defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com]
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beercheck
04/22/09

@beercheck: Hrm..

[3.bp.blogspot.com]
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don_mynack
04/22/09

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The F-22 is a ridiculous boondoggle, redesigned so many times that it's now almost bomber sized. As such, it has the requisite lack of maneuverability - it's hardly surprising that the nimble T-38 could take one down. Considering the only "combat" tests the F-22's have undergone have pretty much been rigged not to showcase these vulnerabilities (in order to keep the budget numbers up) - perhaps with a new administration we can finally kill this money pit. I'm not exactly hopeful, however.
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beercheck
04/22/09

@don_mynack: Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it.
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beercheck
04/22/09

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I have it on good authority that the T-38 pilot went below hard-deck.
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Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
04/22/09

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All your fighter are belong to us.
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engineerd
04/22/09

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You have a couple things going on here. The F22 is not designed for air combat. It is designed to have superior weapons and electronics so that a kill can be made before the pilot even sees the other plane. This strategy is obviously better than letting another plane to get into a position where they have the potential to kill you. As such, the F22 pilots may not be the most well-trained when it comes to air-to-air combat.

Along with that, the T-38 pilot is probably really good. If he was a trainer for Red Flag, then he is probably one of the best air-to-air combat pilots in the US Air Force.

I wonder if they handicapped the F22 at all...like not allow him any simulated long-range weapons?
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IamZardoz
04/22/09

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Lets see, an F-22 costs 150 million plus and and the latest F-16 goes for around 27 million each. Is an F-22 worth 5 or more F-16's? I doubt it.
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beercheck
04/22/09

@IamZardoz: An interesting read:

[www.theatlantic.com]
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
04/22/09

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Hey, are you guys going to cover the story on Leona Helmsley leaving a fortune to her dogs?

I heard she has been in a car, so it probably qualifies for coverage much in the same way that these fighter pilots have also been in a car.

j/k Pretty cool story.
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