Lockers all 'round locked T-case w/one locked & one open diff good AWD locked T-case & open diffs FWD with traction control limited slip RWD one wheel drive.
Methinks this F-suckfifty is the last one, so it beats a skateboard...in the snow.
The above flowchart of suckiness ranking varies according to conditions.
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Well, try this:
"Lockers all 'round } locked T-case w/one locked & one open diff } good AWD } locked T-case & open diffs } FWD with traction control } limited slip RWD } one wheel drive."
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You call that snow? Someone needs to tell these people to grow a pair, move to AK, stimulate our economy, and when they get back to the Lower 49s they won't ever bitch about snow again.
Similar situation here a few days ago. Only it was the Subaru Outback getting itself royally stuck (twice) and the Ford Tempo rockin' through the snow, dragging ass the whole way and still making it.
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@JawzX2: Hoon The Earth @ www.cafepress.com/jawzx2: It does however make keeping an older machine running near impossible. Combine this with snow (that doesn't melt at all during the winter, *cough* New England) and you've got problems.
Looks like you guys found my video! This is what happens when your roommate is from North Carolina and you're currently living in Maine. What a fun morning this was! It just reassured me that I made the right decision in selling my GTI and buying the Subaru for Maine! Enjoy guys...
Perfect timing. I popped the LGT's snow cherry this morning. The jury is still out as to whether I'd rather be driving it or the Cherokee under those conditions.
@YankBoffin: Everything worked out fine. Once we got to the top of the hill he backed off the gas. My neighbors were outside shoveling and all came over to watch the whole thing. It was a pretty proud moment for the Roo. It was my first winter with it so I was extra happy.
My truck is 4wd, and last year, the actuator* went out. I was parked in the yard, and wound up spending over a half hour trying to get it out of there. Rocking it back and forth, digging around the ruts with a shovel, wedging lengths of plywood under the tires. Nothing worked.
The chains from my lawn tractor came to the rescue. Not that they would fit the truck, but just chucking a pile of chain under the front of the tires worked beautifully.
I've replaced the actuator, so it shouldn't be a problem this year, but I've got the chains at hand just in case.
*actuator for engaging the front axle. I have a proper manually engaged transfer case.
@smalleyxb122: What manner of 4x4 Pickup do you own? I've never heard of the axle needing an actuator, only the hubs. My F250's Vacuum actuated hubs were becoming rather troublesome when one of my front wheel bearings began wearing out. Caused major vacuum leaks in the hub. Thankfully I have manual override on them for just such an occurrence. I'd prefer if a vehicle have auto-lockers that it have auto lockers like my '92 Explorer. They work great, only drawback is having to move forward or reverse up to 10 feet to get them disengaged.
@Elhigh: ... and the Cat's in the cradle with the silver spoon (sniffle) little boy blue and the man in the moon (wimper)... i'm sorry I can't go on anymore :(....
@Elhigh: Best memories of HS : carving up the iced parking lot of Westdale mall in Cedar Rapids, IA with friends. We had lowered rwd import p/u's (mazda/nissan/toyota) but we were groomed on gravel in the summers.
Nothing builds confidence like hitting 'deep' gravel at 80 mph, blasting along roads only used by tractors. Come wintertime, snow and ice are like a blessing for my handbrake.
Learn rwd on ice/snow/gravel and you can drive anything, anywhere, anytime.
@Elhigh: Not sure what the laws are now, but back in the '90's, at least in Iowa, most secondary/gravel roads had no actual speed limit. Most were straight, and often had those nice rally-worthy hills that would drop off on one side. My truck spent more time in the air than it did on the ground =D
Most people, when driving in these conditions, would prefer some suspension travel. We did it with about 2" of clearance from the bottom leaf spring brackets, maybe 3" of travel (slammed mini trucks, mwah). Again, nothing builds confidence like getting airborne and coming back down only to bottom out.
I've got to terrorize the interstate here to even get my heartbeat up anymore. *sigh
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Two wheel drive trucks are useless in the snow without weight in the back and real aggressive rear tires. They may be macho, but they're still useless.
I live at towards the end of a dead end road (no surprise there) and you have to drive up a hill to get to the main road. I live downtown and they don't plow my road under normal circumstances. It's only a block long.
Every year idiots drive down that hill in frame high snow then turn around and try to go back up and get stuck in front of my house. I no longer have pity for them and will drive around them if necessary.
@mytdawg: I used to have a RWD truck, but I also knew better than to do stupid shit that would get me stuck. Needless to say, I never once got it stuck.
...but I have also never lived on a road that didn't routinely get plowed, either. That helps a lot.
@Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp: Michigan is so broke that they routinely only plow after the snow has stopped falling now so they only have to make one pass. My road isn't a priority and they only plow it after a storm now. So usually there is a layer of ice under 6 - 8 inches of snow cone crap. It's very nice. My 1995 4WD S-10 has 110,000 miles on it. Winter (and hauling dogs) is it's raison d'être.
@mytdawg: I drove a RWD 87 Dakota long-box for years here in Calgary and it never let me down in bad weather, probably because it had a manual, it had proper truck tires (LT, not P), and it always had at least a couple concrete sidewalk pavers and sandbags in the bed. Along with all the snow it accumulated. Miss that truck. Also, I'm not an idiot. I think.
@mytdawg: Had a 94 F-150 lightning. 351 Windsor, 2wd, P275/60-17 Z-rated tires. Dealing with the icy snow of the Northeast I threw about 800 pounds in the bed and could manage, but I had to avoid hills like it was my job, esp. living on top of a quasi-mountain.
Taught me to be a better foul weather driver though. Any mistake and that truck gave me a heart attack.
Lots of fun in the dry though.
That said, I wouldn't have even bothered in the weather in that video. I would have taken my 98 ZX2, much better snow car. Manual, no-abs, small, narrow tires, as long as it had tread I could go anywhere.
@mytdawg: Squirrelly is what it is in the rain. Terrifying is what it is in the snow. 800 pounds of sand in bags over the axle, two 17 gallon tanks of fuel filled to the brim, and a plastic Jesus on the dash. That was winter in that car.
It was common for Lightning owners who used them as daily drivers to have 1980s subcompact cars parked somewhere nearby come October. Find a cheap beat-up one for around $400-500 and reason that it costs less than the insurance deductible. Sell them for around the same amount come the spring. Repeat.
There's no way I would have owned that truck when i lived in MI or MA. In NJ I was only inconvenienced about 4-5 days a year and even then, most people didn't go out on those days anyways around here, so it wasn't a problem.
I'm sure Mulally was genuinely thrilled; I met him back when he worked for Boeing, and struck me as being a really kind, nice, engineer-type guy.
Kudos to Ford!
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Methinks this F-suckfifty is the last one, so it beats a skateboard...in the snow.
The above flowchart of suckiness ranking varies according to conditions.
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My pointy parentheses didn't appear in my post. I forgot...html coding.
Well, try this:
"Lockers all 'round } locked T-case w/one locked & one open diff } good AWD } locked T-case & open diffs } FWD with traction control } limited slip RWD } one wheel drive."
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Similar situation here a few days ago. Only it was the Subaru Outback getting itself royally stuck (twice) and the Ford Tempo rockin' through the snow, dragging ass the whole way and still making it.
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The chains from my lawn tractor came to the rescue. Not that they would fit the truck, but just chucking a pile of chain under the front of the tires worked beautifully.
I've replaced the actuator, so it shouldn't be a problem this year, but I've got the chains at hand just in case.
*actuator for engaging the front axle. I have a proper manually engaged transfer case.
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My younger boy turned 16 Saturday. We woke up to snow. I tossed him the keys and said, "Mom wants cocoa. We're out. You're driving."
Kid looks out at the snow. "Is it safe?"
"Sure. We'll take the Subie. And I'm going to teach you about 'opposite lock.'"
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Nothing builds confidence like hitting 'deep' gravel at 80 mph, blasting along roads only used by tractors. Come wintertime, snow and ice are like a blessing for my handbrake.
Learn rwd on ice/snow/gravel and you can drive anything, anywhere, anytime.
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Michigan has some weird roads.
Drop a cog and tromp the gas on a bend, the tail slides out and you skate through in Super Dorifto Style.
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Most people, when driving in these conditions, would prefer some suspension travel. We did it with about 2" of clearance from the bottom leaf spring brackets, maybe 3" of travel (slammed mini trucks, mwah). Again, nothing builds confidence like getting airborne and coming back down only to bottom out.
I've got to terrorize the interstate here to even get my heartbeat up anymore. *sigh
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The Sube makes it stupid simple, mostly just point-and-click.
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I live at towards the end of a dead end road (no surprise there) and you have to drive up a hill to get to the main road. I live downtown and they don't plow my road under normal circumstances. It's only a block long.
Every year idiots drive down that hill in frame high snow then turn around and try to go back up and get stuck in front of my house. I no longer have pity for them and will drive around them if necessary.
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...but I have also never lived on a road that didn't routinely get plowed, either. That helps a lot.
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Taught me to be a better foul weather driver though. Any mistake and that truck gave me a heart attack.
Lots of fun in the dry though.
That said, I wouldn't have even bothered in the weather in that video. I would have taken my 98 ZX2, much better snow car. Manual, no-abs, small, narrow tires, as long as it had tread I could go anywhere.
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It was common for Lightning owners who used them as daily drivers to have 1980s subcompact cars parked somewhere nearby come October. Find a cheap beat-up one for around $400-500 and reason that it costs less than the insurance deductible. Sell them for around the same amount come the spring. Repeat.
There's no way I would have owned that truck when i lived in MI or MA. In NJ I was only inconvenienced about 4-5 days a year and even then, most people didn't go out on those days anyways around here, so it wasn't a problem.
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