Wow, talk about dragging an old memory from the deep. Like a skilful psychiatrist, that not-really-a-popup headlight triggered something deep in my neurons. I read through the comments frantically trying to work out what else this car might have been know as, and, like a light bulb, on it came!
I had an orange Monogram EXP model kit back when building model kits was as good as any day got. I had totally forgotten it's existence until this point. Thanks, Jalop!
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Man these things were ugly. I don't remember seeing any of these, and only a handful of EXPs. There was almost no market for a wheezy, frog-eyed Escort two seater, let alone an "upmarket" Mercury version.
Come to think of it, I'm surprised the Escort sold as well as it did in the '80s with an all-hatch model range. Three and five doors were certainly more practical, but the market was already shifting to sedans when the Escort came out.
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Let me guess, someone broke the rear window and the insurance company totaled this car.
Still, although I'm more partial to the EXP, these would make for interesting cars with a bit of work (I'm thinking '88 EXP with the engine out of a mid-'90's Escort GT).
I saw one of these in the bank's parking lot in Pinellas Park many many years ago. The color of this one's top, dark grey on dark grey. Somebody had pried all the identifying emblems and stickers off of it. I walked around and around it, trying to peer into the heavily tinted windows, mumbling to my self "It looks familiar. But what is it? WHAT IS IT?"
This brings back memories. I had the Ford version, and it burned to the ground in my driveway. Went out to start it on a cold morning, came back in and ate a bowl of cereal. When I came back out, flames were shooting from the grill slits. Took the FD 2 1/2 tanker trucks to put it out.
Yeesh. The paint must have been part of the "Dichotomy Package". Never before has an ersatz sportster looked so much like a ersatz luxo-casket for two.
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@skulldriveshaft picasaweb and youtube: That right there is one of the all time best factory specials ever to roll out of the plant. Except for the bed rails. Even has thinwalls.
"The redline's at six thousand but please god don't make me go there I can't go there again I can't do that please just please let me shift at five and a half..."
@Lost in the age of Aerostar: Running a carburetor and a distributor leaves no simple way to cut fuel or spark to limit engine speed. The yellow line, rather than than red in this case, means 'no, seriously, shift here because it won't stop itself from blowing up'. You could keep going until you got valve float, which will both ultimately limit engine speed and probably result in some hot metal-on-metal action.
@Lost in the age of Aerostar: The problem with spinning an engine too fast is the valves don't have time to close, so they kind of "float" open and when this happens the engine power is reduced dramatically
the valves can hit the pistons too in extreme cases
@Lost in the age of Aerostar: Valve float begins when the valve springs cannot push the valve closed fast enough to keep the bucket or lifter in contact with the cam lobes. It ends when the engine slows, or in destruction if pistons make contact with the still open valves.
/hat tip to those above who type faster
As for reliability, people choose their shift points fairly consistently based on the speedometer. Though often arbitrary, it's rarely at the point where the engine is no longer accelerating or 'making horrible noises'.
@brake booster by Lucas...I'd better get religion!: One can also remove weight from the valvetrain to achieve the same goal without overly stressing the lobe/lifter interface, such as overhead camshafts, hollowstem valves, multiple valves per cylinder (smaller moments of inertia providing the same, or more flow), and so on. Generally speaking, low RPM limits of the malaise era were more valvetrain than engine control driven, IMO.
I like where you're coming from, but float is more like an engine lifespan limiter, you can still rev beyond that mechanically if you miss a shift...
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@Lost in the age of Aerostar: And if you ride a Ducati motorcycle, valve float isn't an issue...because those valves ride on rocker arms instead of springs. Desmodromic valves FTW!
@Lost in the age of Aerostar: Had a couple of Escorts as well. I fondly (sarcasm) remember the whine of the little sewing machine engine yelling: "FREAKIN' QUIT IT ALREADY!!!!". Ahhh, good times.
While it wouldn't look out of place still covering miles out on the road, the performance is far more dated than the styling. It's a sad comment on the malaise that the 85 mph speedometer is entirely adequate.
@brake booster by Lucas...I'd better get religion!: I used to have this argument at work. They'd ask 'Is it mistake proof?', and I would say 'No, you could still take it and weld it on any metal surface. Nothing is mistake proof, but the correct way is obvious.' Then they would look in confusion at their paperwork or computer screen with little checkboxes.
Egads, the steering wheel on that thing reminded me of FoMoCo's misguided 1980s idea to put the horn button on the turn signal stalk...anyone remember that?
@1964F100: What's I find hilarious is the turn-signal stalk end...hey, at least it'd get used for something...is this was after Lincoln had the horn embedded on the inside of the steering wheel's rim. This didn't age well, and the resulting dead-spots made it a challenge to actually have the horn sound.
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These used to be everywhere--I actually think the front end isn't that bad; it's the cheap-ass escortish plastic rear and huge rear glass that made it look like an old camaro that had been washed in hot water and shrunk up.
Yikes. That is a face only a mother could love. I'm trying to find a redeeming quality on it somewhere, but it really is just hideous from every angle. Put it out of its misery...
What I find amazing is the MX-6, on which the Probe was based, didn't sell as well.
I think it was the MX-6. Old auto info is starting to fade from memory...save for how to tune points-fired ignitions, and stuff like this which has been ingrained.
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I had an orange Monogram EXP model kit back when building model kits was as good as any day got. I had totally forgotten it's existence until this point. Thanks, Jalop!
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You're an EXP, no matter what you label yourself, frogeyes.
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Come to think of it, I'm surprised the Escort sold as well as it did in the '80s with an all-hatch model range. Three and five doors were certainly more practical, but the market was already shifting to sedans when the Escort came out.
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Still, although I'm more partial to the EXP, these would make for interesting cars with a bit of work (I'm thinking '88 EXP with the engine out of a mid-'90's Escort GT).
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Good times...
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It's missing something.
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If I had a tachometer.
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Why did they do that? Because you need to know exactly where the "yellow" line was? To match with the highlighted 55 on the speedo?
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"The redline's at six thousand but please god don't make me go there I can't go there again I can't do that please just please let me shift at five and a half..."
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Now i'm wondering if there was ever an engine reliability difference between cars equipped with and without tachs.
@A strolling player: I know that sound well, having had various Escorts/Lynx's in my family from 82 on.
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the valves can hit the pistons too in extreme cases
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Valve float. C'mere, kid...I'll give you some education 'bout that there valve float....
See now, valve float is when you've revved the engine high enough so that a valve's linear travel cannot keep up with the profile of the cam lobe.
Boy, I say, BOY...sit back down....
So when the valves are supposed to close, they're late, because they can't close fast enough.
You keepin' up, boy???
Sure, you can try stiffer valve springs, but that creates other issues. Think of float as a built-in rev-limiter.
Now get along and go play with your friends.
/playfully sarcastic Foghorn Leghorn
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/hat tip to those above who type faster
As for reliability, people choose their shift points fairly consistently based on the speedometer. Though often arbitrary, it's rarely at the point where the engine is no longer accelerating or 'making horrible noises'.
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I like where you're coming from, but float is more like an engine lifespan limiter, you can still rev beyond that mechanically if you miss a shift...
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For the manufacturer, engine fragmentation is much, much less-expensive.
...why don't you have a heart-clicky? Fixed that for myself...
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Yeah...but then you have to adjust the clearances.
I remember people getting very animated when discussing this aspect of Ducati ownership...while we were all riding Hondas.
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And thanks to all the others too: skitter, smartasssaabr, Turboner!!
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Hold on, now. It's a malaise-FoMoCo product...at best, it's "mistake-resistant", and this one wasn't.
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Now I just answer 'Yes.'
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What's bad is, the older I get, the less-tolerant I am of the inability to think and/or adopt idea which are different.
However, like you, when confronted with utter cluelessness, I go with whatever is easiest for the lemmings to understand.
It goes against my better judgement, but I'll live longer the less I let it bother me.
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What I find amazing is the MX-6, on which the Probe was based, didn't sell as well.
I think it was the MX-6. Old auto info is starting to fade from memory...save for how to tune points-fired ignitions, and stuff like this which has been ingrained.
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