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    Inside Those Crazy Motorcycle-Engined LeMons Racers

    LeMons Madness Level Gets Kicked Up A Few More Notches: V65 Magna-Powered Honda Z600!

    There's Nothing Wrong With A 1965 Ford Cortina That A Honda S2000 Engine Can't Fix!

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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/21/09

    In reply to Inside Those Crazy Motorcycle-Engined LeMons Racers
    Now, sitting on the fuel tank is nuts, but being elbow-to-cylinder-head with a Honda V65 engine is insane.

    When I had a V45 Sabre, it'd occur to me, typically shortly after a horribly missed shift, how the rear cylinders were pointed directly at my groin.

    If they let go, at least death would be swift.

    On the upside for the Angry Hamsters, at least the carbs are easy to access, and good thinking keeping the clutch housing exposed to ease wrenching.

    While shifting sequential gearboxes clutchless is natural, though I didn't do it until late in my two-wheeled life (duh), 1400+ lbs., with driver/fuel, is gonna be tough on the plates.

    Oh, and backing up is problematic. Though, speaking as someone who hasn't had a functional reverse gear for almost 12 months, you plan for this without being conscious of it. Said planning can be upset by race participants/conditions, however.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    11/21/09

    In reply to Inside Those Crazy Motorcycle-Engined LeMons Racers
    Simply magnificent.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/21/09

    In reply to Inside Those Crazy Motorcycle-Engined LeMons Racers
    The funniest part is that if you told a stranger-to-Lemons about a racing match-off between teams named Metro Gnome and an Angry Hamster, the mental images in said stranger would be nothing like the batshit crazy reality. Make that batshit crazy crazy.
    Ever since the Metro Gnome won--if I recall right, they did win once--I look at those little Metros with new respect. One's been in our parking deck on and off for a year and the outside looks worse than this one--and though it is small and ugly and apparently barely rolling under its own power, and even then, kind of sideways, I know that it could be transformed into a freakish monster and kick some ass.
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    Image of coupeZ600 coupeZ600
    11/21/09

    In reply to Inside Those Crazy Motorcycle-Engined LeMons Racers
    Oh,.. I am so conflicted by this car. One hand holds my face, one shakes a fist, and the other reaches high for the heavens.
    Why?,... asks one.
    WHY!?!?!?!!, asks another....
    The other asks quite sagely, "Why not?" The tri-chotomy is perfect, and while I question their reasoning and berate their method, I honor their vision, and wish them the best.
    Go Angry Hamsters! (You better win,.. or....)
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    Edited by coupeZ600 at 11/21/09 5:11 AM coupeZ600 was starred coupeZ600 was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    11/21/09

    In reply to Inside Those Crazy Motorcycle-Engined LeMons Racers
    What kinda sicko schedules a post for 12:05 AM? Now, 12:06.... that would make some sense.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    11/21/09

    In reply to Inside Those Crazy Motorcycle-Engined LeMons Racers
    How many BS laps do you give someone for "free" CNC machining? ;)
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    Image of JoeDunlap001 JoeDunlap001
    11/21/09

    @Turboner: And for placing the fuel cell under the driver seat??
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    11/21/09

    @Turboner: Not to mention the giant billet of aluminum that was "just lying around".

    That said, I'm all for waiving budgetary restrictions so long as the end result is still within the spirit of LeMons and sufficiently insane.
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    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/21/09

    @JoeDunlap001: They got bounced from the tech inspection for their fuel cell and had to drive 130 miles back to the Bay Area to fix it.
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    Image of MadHungarian MadHungarian
    11/21/09

    @something_unique_and_descripti...: Reasonable minds may differ about what is "within the spirit of LeMons," but between this kind of stuff and V-12 Benz 600's being allowed in, IMO we have taken a fast off-ramp away from what I thought was the original idea, which was to get a bunch of genuine beaters together, modify them as little as possible, and have silly fun, with the matter of who wins being entirely incidental.
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    11/21/09

    @MadHungarian: My rebuttal on the S600:
    1. Any car that costs that little is a beater.
    2. It is modified far less than most of the machinery at a LeMons race.
    3. An S600 coupe, no track machine, on track racing Das Scheiß-E30s and motorcycle engined microcars is pretty much my definition of silly fun.
    4. The real race is the Index of Effluency, and the real awards are the Dangerous Banned Technology or made-up-on-the-spot types.
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    Image of abgwin abgwin
    11/02/09

    In reply to LeMons Madness Level Gets Kicked Up A Few More Notches: V65 Magna-Powered Honda Z600!
    just so you know, if you clear the crap out of the hatch and fold the rear seats forward a bit, a keg, tap and appropriate amount of ice fit back there.

    at least they did in my dad's 70 600 Z coupe. #honda600
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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    11/02/09

    In reply to There's Nothing Wrong With A 1965 Ford Cortina That A Honda S2000 Engine Can't Fix!
    Jeff appears to be leading the life I would very much like to lead. However, in my version, there's a Fintail Mercedes Benz sedan with an M-100 engine under the hood....and I'm somehow taller. #fordcortina
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    Image of Serajadeyn Serajadeyn
    11/02/09

    In reply to LeMons Madness Level Gets Kicked Up A Few More Notches: V65 Magna-Powered Honda Z600!
    Guys... This is EXACTLY in the spirit of LeMons! they're not racing a pure cheatanium E30 or an Unobtainium Rx7, They found a tiny japanese shitbox, and are doing their damnedest to make it work in the most ridiculous way possible. Having the nice facilities is sort of a smear against most of us lemons racers, but all except the gearbox could be done in just about any garage with basic fab tools and a LOT of man hours. Hell, if they didn't have the machine shop they could have mounted the engine another way to make it work still... #honda600
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/02/09

    In reply to There's Nothing Wrong With A 1965 Ford Cortina That A Honda S2000 Engine Can't Fix!
    I'm envious and so on, but mainly I'm envious of anyone who knows a girl who'd appreciate a Fiat 850. #fordcortina
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    11/01/09

    In reply to LeMons Madness Level Gets Kicked Up A Few More Notches: V65 Magna-Powered Honda Z600!
    Is it even possible to not love motorcycle-engined subcompacts? #honda600
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/02/09

    @Tomsk sez so long Ash78, and thanks for all the fish!: I think you meant "sub-micro-compacts". And I agree. #honda600
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    Image of LTDScott LTDScott
    11/01/09

    In reply to LeMons Madness Level Gets Kicked Up A Few More Notches: V65 Magna-Powered Honda Z600!
    Very cool, but it once again reaffirms how proud I am of my team for its top 10 finish at Buttonwillow considering our car was built in the garage mostly with hand tools.

    I'd kill to have the engineering and equipment available to this team. While their car meets the rules of the series, I'm not sure it meets the spirit. #honda600
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    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/01/09

    @LTDScott: Your team is approximately 400 times more likely to take the overall win at LeMons than is this bunch. They wanted to use their skills to build something really ridiculous, which I think is firmly in keeping with the spirit of LeMons. #honda600
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    Image of LTDScott LTDScott
    11/02/09

    @Murilee Martin: I understand that labor is free, but making their own gear box? I think the finished product won't be all that much "crap can" which is what the series is about.

    I also complained about the Metro-Gnome considering it had been advertised for sale on Jalopnik previously for over $2K, and that fell on deaf ears due to the cool factor of the car too. Then they went and won the race!

    But I don't want to come off as a bitter whiner. I'll eat my hat if we ever win, so I'm not all that concerned about the competition as long as I have fun :) #honda600
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    Image of solracer solracer
    11/01/09

    In reply to LeMons Madness Level Gets Kicked Up A Few More Notches: V65 Magna-Powered Honda Z600!
    Damn, I'm beginning to wish I'd bought that Fiat 600 I found a couple of months ago. But then I have about 1/1000th the talent these guys have so I'd probably still be staring at a pile full of parts. #honda600
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    Image of 87CapriceEstate 87CapriceEstate
    11/01/09

    In reply to There's Nothing Wrong With A 1965 Ford Cortina That A Honda S2000 Engine Can't Fix!
    How does that work for smog if the car is a 1965 and the engine is post 2000? #fordcortina
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    Murilee Martin promoted this comment 87CapriceEstate was starred 87CapriceEstate was unstarred
    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/01/09

    @87CapriceEstate: In California, vehicles built in 1975 or before are exempt from emissions testing.

    With a post-'75 car, you can drop a newer engine into the car and get a Bureau Of Automotive Repair referee to certify it. At that point, the car will be tested to meet the emissions standards of the year of engine manufacture. #fordcortina
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    Image of 87CapriceEstate 87CapriceEstate
    11/01/09

    @Murilee Martin: Thanks and I hope the skulls were a smash hit! #fordcortina
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    Image of powermatic powermatic
    11/01/09

    In reply to LeMons Madness Level Gets Kicked Up A Few More Notches: V65 Magna-Powered Honda Z600!
    The chassis jig alone is indicative of a high-end shop, and check out the drilled-out gussets on the cage-if these guys don't make the deadline, it'll be because they're too professional.

    I've gotta laugh thinking about sitting next to that screaming V-Twin-but the weight distribution should be phenomenal. #honda600
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    Image of jllevy123002 jllevy123002
    11/01/09

    @powermatic: The V-65 is a V4, not a V-twin
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    Image of powermatic powermatic
    11/01/09

    @jllevy123002: Thanks. I should have known that since I own a V4 bike (VFR 800), so I feel the fool x 2. #honda600
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