Does this mean the price of beer is going up.. because that will drive more people to drink whiskey.. and being as it's hard to brew mass quantities of whiskey.. well good whiskey at least, that will drive up the price of whiskey.. and well.. fuck that.
co2 isn't a pollutant.. it's the bubbles in the beer of life.. it's what makes coke syrup paletable, and oh yea.. know that big glowing thing in the sky.. yea THAT drives the climate.. all our energy.. (except nuclear).. yea.. we get it from that big ball.. imagine that. If you sunspot activity against warming.. well the curves match pretty damn closely.. imagine that.. we receive more energy from the sun and the temperature goes up..
Good news.. the sun is in a lull.. there hasn't been a sustained sunspot in months, temperatures are lowering..
Instead of labeling everyone who doesn't believe in the scam called global warming a skeptic and crackpot, perhaps you should read the science.. it's far from a "concensus"
when greater than 50% of the weather stations used to generate climate info are >=2C above actual temps and another 11% are >=5C.. the science most people are claiming to represent global warming is WRONG.
But ignore the actual science.. ignore the meterologists who claim warming has stopped and that co2 has been misrepresented as not the cause of, but a resultant of, temperature rise.. it doesn't fit in your box and you might have to do actual thinking.
CFC's yea.. they did actual damage.. sulfer being pumped into the atmosphere.. again.. actual damage.. co2? plants love the shit, it's heavier than air and man kinds contribution is absolutely miniscule, when compared to say..
oh this volcano in russia, just north of japan some ways..
The problem is a lot of these energy "solutions" are similar to the Oak Island Money Pit, aka the Oak Island Treasure.
Everyone say there is a treasure at the bottom of the pit, but no one can verify it. They keep throwing money at it, but no one knows what the outcome will be.
Basically, how green are our solutions, and what will we really save? Is their a treasure at the bottom of this pit?
Ha, no surprise here, everyone on Jalopnik is pissed. If you plan on bitching, offer another way to reduce carbon emissions. If your response is that climate change is false science and this is a big global scam perpetuated by a shadowy council of Al Gore clones, well, then I don't think anyone can help you then.
@It's a Camaro: how about we concentrate on getting ourselves out of the recession first before we start dreaming up ways to tax our already-hurting businesses and industry even more?
@TexanIdiot25- needs a edit buton... EDIT: Needs an edit but...: He sure can, god help us if a president focused on foreign relations and started conflicts without any mind to what's going on at home; that would really ruin the economy. Hey, wait a sec...
@It's a Camaro: No, he really can't. He's been pretty gutless about handling anything that wasn't in his campaign propaganda. He deals with fucking up the economy with great speed, but wimpers about handling this nuclear threat and the violence in Iran.
If you haven't read the Matt Taibbi piece that came out in the new Rolling Stone about Goldman Sach's and carbon trading, you owe it to yourself to read it.
In short - Goldman Sach's has been the driving force behind every major bubble of the past few years (oil, housing, internet, etc) and they are poised to take advantage (illegally) of the new "cap and trade" commodities market.
"If America is now circling the drain, Goldman Sach's has found a way to be that drain".
@SkaHimself: Matt Tiabbi is a idiot hack. Rolling Stone is not a credible news mag. Instead of exposing the joke that is cap and trade, since he's a lib and totally in the tank for Obama, he trashes a bank. Completely disingenuous at best and criminally horrible as a journalist at its worst. It sad what has happened to RollingStone... much like some of the green crap in glossy car mags.
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@MaxSmart32: Dude, it says "Advertisement" right on it. And it's separated by gray blocks. And, as you noticed, it's not comment-enabled. It even says "sponsored post" within. And, there's no byline.
As these things go, and as opposed to that BloodCopy fiasco, that is pretty tame. If it keeps these kids employed, I'm all for it.
Cap and trade? Yeah, that's constructive. Lets make it more expensive to do business and create another financial market based on trading something nonexistant.
If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was starred
If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was unstarred
When you see an economy in trouble, make sure you strangle the ever-living crap out of it with a huge carbon tax scheme, and make doing business even more difficult and expensive.
@VeeArrrSix: How has govt health care failed? As someone who has had their mother get dropped by her health insurance while suffering from cancer I have to say the US system of health care sucks even more than most other developed nations. The World Health Organisation ranked us 38th right next to Cuba. How can we have health care on par with countries that use health care technology of the 40's still.
But that has nothing to do with this. Look, lets get this straight the current source of energy regardless of the damage to the environment is awful. Jeremy Clarkson even said so!!! We are buying energy from the most hostile parts of the world and are having to kiss the Saudi's ass. As far as the environmental damage even if you don't believe in global warming go to South West Virginia and you can see tap water turn black from a chemical reaction with pepto bismol from the waste of coal production in the ground water. There are people having to get their water from charities even though they have a well. We need alternatives and there is currently no incentive to do so until are current source becomes too expensive. By then you can't drive your muscle car because it cost as much to fill the tank as the whole vehicle. Jay Leno said it best when he said alternative energy is what is going to save the automobile and I agree.
I love cars but we honestly can't just keep going down the current path. Frankly it's killing the car. Look at the freeways anywhere near a population over 1,000. I can't go out for a pleasurable drive because I'm stuck in traffic following someone that has no business driving, anything, drive a car 25 mph on the interstate with their turn signal on, only when they are not making a turn of course, and all they are doing is commuting to and from work in a dinged up mid-90's Camry with smoking tailpipe because the owner doesn't understand what motor oil is. I'm going to guess they are not passionate about cars at this point and are just using for basic transport. Well, wouldn't they be better suited by mass transportation at this point. I know I would be happier driving at least the speed limit and I would be safer because I wouldn't have to watch out for them when they just have to text about that movie last night. If people like this took mass transport to their jobs we will be able to get on the freeway and drive the speed limit or more the whole time. (I haven't done that in 5 years!) Roads would be reclaimed by the people who actually want or need to drive and the roads will be that much safer for that because I don't know many petrol head that would rather text while driving than just drive in the first place.
That said I don't know if this programme will work but it's better than just wimping out like the rest and just maintaining the status quo.
@quayzar: The only problem with mass transit is that in nearly all rural areas, It Won't Work.
I live in a town of between 5 and 6,000 people in southwest New Hampshire. It's a half-hour's drive to any small city (population over 7,000, even), and about ten to fifteen minutes to any market larger than a convenience store.
We do have industry here. It's located on the outskirts of town, and though there are a few clumps of industrial zoning, companies are mostly scattered around the edges of town.
All of this makes trains woefully impractical, as our manufacturing isn't on that large a scale, and nothing is centralized enough to pay for the reconstruction of rail lines. We'd end up having to take something to a train station, and then it would only be useful for trips to other cities - which is what freeways are for (mind, there aren't any of those within 45 minutes' drive, either).
Busses are a slightly less impractical option, but their use would also be limited, due to the clustered mixed-use downtown surrounded by spread-out, fairly disorganized housing and commerce/industry. Many of our secondary roads, additionally, are narrow enough that busses would crowd cars to the edge.
I agree that mass transit is the right idea in urban areas and in many planned, gridlike suburbs, but it just won't work in rural New Hampshire.
I've always wanted to be Fifi. I've shaved my head and have a nice selection of neck scarfs, all I need is a Buick Riviera which I was planning to steal after the global apocalypse and some black leather pants.
Guess I'll just sit here and water my plants, waiting for the world to implode. What's taking so long???
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co2 isn't a pollutant.. it's the bubbles in the beer of life.. it's what makes coke syrup paletable, and oh yea.. know that big glowing thing in the sky.. yea THAT drives the climate.. all our energy.. (except nuclear).. yea.. we get it from that big ball.. imagine that. If you sunspot activity against warming.. well the curves match pretty damn closely.. imagine that.. we receive more energy from the sun and the temperature goes up..
Good news.. the sun is in a lull.. there hasn't been a sustained sunspot in months, temperatures are lowering..
Instead of labeling everyone who doesn't believe in the scam called global warming a skeptic and crackpot, perhaps you should read the science.. it's far from a "concensus"
Start here.
[wattsupwiththat.com]
Then read here
[www.surfacestations.org]
when greater than 50% of the weather stations used to generate climate info are >=2C above actual temps and another 11% are >=5C.. the science most people are claiming to represent global warming is WRONG.
But ignore the actual science.. ignore the meterologists who claim warming has stopped and that co2 has been misrepresented as not the cause of, but a resultant of, temperature rise.. it doesn't fit in your box and you might have to do actual thinking.
CFC's yea.. they did actual damage.. sulfer being pumped into the atmosphere.. again.. actual damage.. co2? plants love the shit, it's heavier than air and man kinds contribution is absolutely miniscule, when compared to say..
oh this volcano in russia, just north of japan some ways..
Who's gonna tax the volcano for emitting co2?
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
06/25/09
Everyone say there is a treasure at the bottom of the pit, but no one can verify it. They keep throwing money at it, but no one knows what the outcome will be.
Basically, how green are our solutions, and what will we really save? Is their a treasure at the bottom of this pit?
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Deal with North Korea, THEN lead the sheeple to electric cars.
Priorities, grow some balls and protect the USA, not some silly short term environmental goal.
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Damn this ADD mind with tab'd browsing
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In short - Goldman Sach's has been the driving force behind every major bubble of the past few years (oil, housing, internet, etc) and they are poised to take advantage (illegally) of the new "cap and trade" commodities market.
"If America is now circling the drain, Goldman Sach's has found a way to be that drain".
[zerohedge.blogspot.com]
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SHENANIGANGS.
What's that smell?
Oh, its the "unmistakable" smell of Jalop trying to shit on a plate and tell me it's a t-bone.
Shame on you, for letting that happen.
Advertisement pretending to be a real Jalop post?
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As these things go, and as opposed to that BloodCopy fiasco, that is pretty tame. If it keeps these kids employed, I'm all for it.
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/suicidal economic policies
This is going to be a flaming disaster.
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But that has nothing to do with this. Look, lets get this straight the current source of energy regardless of the damage to the environment is awful. Jeremy Clarkson even said so!!! We are buying energy from the most hostile parts of the world and are having to kiss the Saudi's ass. As far as the environmental damage even if you don't believe in global warming go to South West Virginia and you can see tap water turn black from a chemical reaction with pepto bismol from the waste of coal production in the ground water. There are people having to get their water from charities even though they have a well. We need alternatives and there is currently no incentive to do so until are current source becomes too expensive. By then you can't drive your muscle car because it cost as much to fill the tank as the whole vehicle. Jay Leno said it best when he said alternative energy is what is going to save the automobile and I agree.
I love cars but we honestly can't just keep going down the current path. Frankly it's killing the car. Look at the freeways anywhere near a population over 1,000. I can't go out for a pleasurable drive because I'm stuck in traffic following someone that has no business driving, anything, drive a car 25 mph on the interstate with their turn signal on, only when they are not making a turn of course, and all they are doing is commuting to and from work in a dinged up mid-90's Camry with smoking tailpipe because the owner doesn't understand what motor oil is. I'm going to guess they are not passionate about cars at this point and are just using for basic transport. Well, wouldn't they be better suited by mass transportation at this point. I know I would be happier driving at least the speed limit and I would be safer because I wouldn't have to watch out for them when they just have to text about that movie last night. If people like this took mass transport to their jobs we will be able to get on the freeway and drive the speed limit or more the whole time. (I haven't done that in 5 years!) Roads would be reclaimed by the people who actually want or need to drive and the roads will be that much safer for that because I don't know many petrol head that would rather text while driving than just drive in the first place.
That said I don't know if this programme will work but it's better than just wimping out like the rest and just maintaining the status quo.
06/26/09
I live in a town of between 5 and 6,000 people in southwest New Hampshire. It's a half-hour's drive to any small city (population over 7,000, even), and about ten to fifteen minutes to any market larger than a convenience store.
We do have industry here. It's located on the outskirts of town, and though there are a few clumps of industrial zoning, companies are mostly scattered around the edges of town.
All of this makes trains woefully impractical, as our manufacturing isn't on that large a scale, and nothing is centralized enough to pay for the reconstruction of rail lines. We'd end up having to take something to a train station, and then it would only be useful for trips to other cities - which is what freeways are for (mind, there aren't any of those within 45 minutes' drive, either).
Busses are a slightly less impractical option, but their use would also be limited, due to the clustered mixed-use downtown surrounded by spread-out, fairly disorganized housing and commerce/industry. Many of our secondary roads, additionally, are narrow enough that busses would crowd cars to the edge.
I agree that mass transit is the right idea in urban areas and in many planned, gridlike suburbs, but it just won't work in rural New Hampshire.
06/25/09
My life long dream was to grow up to be The Lord Humungus.
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I've always wanted to be Fifi. I've shaved my head and have a nice selection of neck scarfs, all I need is a Buick Riviera which I was planning to steal after the global apocalypse and some black leather pants.
Guess I'll just sit here and water my plants, waiting for the world to implode. What's taking so long???