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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    12/07/09

    In reply to Daimlerchero, For The Elegant Mulleteer
    I have looked, but failed to find the ridiculous promised. But am not disappointed. Except maybe about the wheels, and my doubts that the hood is not naked carbon fiber.
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    Image of Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp
    12/07/09

    In reply to Daimlerchero, For The Elegant Mulleteer
    I agree, other than the hopelessly new-fashioned wheels, this is a thing of beauty.
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    Image of discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper
    12/07/09

    In reply to Daimlerchero, For The Elegant Mulleteer
    I'm a bit confused why this has the "-chero" postfix rather than the more common-for-truckcars "-amino." Is it because of both Ford and Daimler's connections to Jaguar?
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    discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper was starred discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper was unstarred
    Image of PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party. PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party.
    12/07/09

    @discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper: Yes you're correct.
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    discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper promoted this comment PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party. was starred PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party. was unstarred
    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    12/07/09

    @discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper: Okay, a brief explaination. "Camino" is the generic term of a truck car, like people calling tissues Kleenex. The proper nomenclature is determined like a game of six-degrees-of Camino. The suffix for a truck car is either -ampage (Rampage), -camino or -amino (Camino) or -chero (ranchero), the etymology is determined based on the closest the car's brand is to either Chrysler, GM or Ford.

    In this case, the argument can be made that it should be a Daimlerpage or a Daimlerchero. Daimlerpage since Daimler was involved in the British Leyland debacle, which Chrysler bought pieces of and thoroughly destroyed.

    But more recently, and thus more importantly, Daimler was part of Jaguar Cars, which Ford bought before eventually selling to Tata.

    If Tata had a legendary Camino to its name, the argument for adding their vehicle's suffix to the name would be made, however the scholarly debate on the subject is still underway.
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    Image of ajwatt ajwatt
    12/07/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: I realize the rules for this were settled long ago, but shouldn't cars with the "-amino" suffix get an "el" in front as well? As in, "el six-wheeled Porsche 928amino"?
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    discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper promoted this comment ajwatt was starred ajwatt was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    12/07/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Daimler was pretty much an innocent bystander in the British Leyland disaster. Jaguar bought up the ailing company in 1960, gutted it, and turned the marque into nothing more than Jaguar clones. Even the DS420 - the last true Daimler - was basically all Jaguar DNA in its makeup.

    And how was Chrysler involved with BL? It was the Rootes Group (Hillman, Sunbeam, Singer, Humber) along with Simca that Chrysler bought and destroyed. Leyland self-destructed just fine without American help.
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    Edited by tonyola at 12/07/09 4:14 PM tonyola was starred tonyola was unstarred
    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    12/07/09

    @tonyola: Arg, got my Rootes mixed with my BL, I'm sure with enough finagling I could tie Chrysler to British Daimler though.
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    Edited by Ben Wojdyla at 12/07/09 4:17 PM Ben Wojdyla was starred Ben Wojdyla was unstarred
    Image of British_Looks_British_Reliability British_Looks_British_Reliability
    12/07/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Do I see a handy chart in Jalopnik's future? One that answers questions such as:

    If you truck-car a Holden Epica, does it become an Epicamino, or a Epica Ute?

    If you truck-car a Subaru Legacy, does it become a Legamino, or a Legaja?

    If you truck-car a Lamborghini Espada, does it become an Espadampage?

    If you truck-car a Mazda Cosmo, does it become a Cosmochero?
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/07/09

    @British_Looks_British_Reliabil...: Subaru, I believe, is a special case. Instead of adding a car/truck suffix, I think the style book demands that car/truck Subarus are "Bratastic." So, in your example, it would be a "Bratastic Legacy."
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    12/07/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Daimpage?
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    12/07/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: How about "Subarus are Bajastic"? Subaru Legaja? Imprezaja?
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    12/07/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Subaru is tricky. They've got a tie up with GM through Saab (for now), and through Toyota with the FT-86 and thus to GM again by way of NUMMI, but as you mention they also have the Brat.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/07/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: I applaud the level of thought you've devoted to this most pressing question.
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    12/07/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: That makes sense. I usually go with "-amino" if there's any doubt on which way it should go.
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    discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper was starred discontinuuity is tentatively testing the waters of Murlopnik Weekend before plunging again into the fridgid waters that are Jalopnik proper was unstarred
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    12/07/09

    @British_Looks_British_Reliabil...: Yes, I would say Ute if it's Australian.

    As for the Subaru, I would say LegaRAT, after the BRAT (original Subaru truck-car).
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    12/08/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Clearly we need another article on this topic.

    In any case, we are forgetting all about the Suzuki Mighty Boy. If I Caminoed (is the verb form of "Camino" capitalized?) a Chevy Sprint, would it become a Mighty Sprint or a Sprintmino?
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    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    12/07/09

    In reply to Daimlerchero, For The Elegant Mulleteer
    Rubbish in the boot does not roll off the tongue like junk in the trunk.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/07/09

    In reply to Daimlerchero, For The Elegant Mulleteer
    I say, Basil, hold my pint, and observe this.
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    Image of PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party. PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party.
    12/07/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: PERFECT!
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    AmishJohn promoted this comment PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party. was starred PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party. was unstarred
    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    12/07/09

    @PowerTryp is holding a Fiesta party.: BRILLIANT!
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    12/07/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Yes!
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    12/07/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Just so you know, this comment got a COTD nomination from me. Well done old chap.
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    Edited by Ben Wojdyla at 12/07/09 5:47 PM Ben Wojdyla was starred Ben Wojdyla was unstarred
    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/07/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Thanks for the encouragement, but I have to admit that the deadly serious possum-eatin' advice (down to the excellent detail of insisting on using "oppossum") thoroughly entertained me.
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    12/08/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Pip pip, if that wasn't the cat's pajamas!
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    12/07/09

    In reply to Daimlerchero, For The Elegant Mulleteer
    Oh, yes!

    Put the proper wires back on that sucker, and send it to Top Gear in order to illustrate what 'Merica is all about, yo!

    America...fuck yeah!!!!!

    Seriously...this is way cool. Functional tailgate + obscure English car + in the South = WIN forever
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    Image of JackMaz drags wagon JackMaz drags wagon
    12/07/09

    @that ain't the way to have fun, son: + roof rack = Further mix of class and function.
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    that ain't the way to have fun, son promoted this comment JackMaz drags wagon was starred JackMaz drags wagon was unstarred
    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    12/07/09

    @JackMaz drags wagon:

    Thanks. I can't believe I left that out.

    Plus, it's a functional rack, not the wanna-be crap on many a car.
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    12/07/09

    In reply to Daimlerchero, For The Elegant Mulleteer
    Pardon me, do you have any pallets of Grey Poupon?
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    11/15/09

    In reply to 1965 Chevrolet El Camino

    First a '69 and now a '65. These neatly bracket my favorite year for Chevelle and El Camino styling - 1967. That year featured a bold grille and wraparound rear lights along with a little more flair to the basic 1964-vintage body.

    The 1964 Chevelle was somewhat unappealing because of its incredibly cheap-looking grille fronting a bland and boxy body. The '65 grille was an improvement, but it took the 1966 facelift to bring some much-needed curves to the overall Chevelle styling. However, the '66 also lost a great body style - the two-door wagon. To me, that model is almost up there with the El Cam in coolness. Oh well, you win some and you lose some... #1965
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    11/15/09

    @tonyola: I personally like the early years better. Same with Novas. #1965
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    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    11/15/09

    @tonyola: The two-door wagons were cool. Reminds me of the 1955-57 Nomad. Alas, they apparently didn't sell too well; the Standard Catalog of American Cars lists 1964 production at a mere 2,710. There's no production breakout for 1965, but it looks like only a low-end 300 was offered. #1965
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    11/15/09

    @DrLemming: Yeah, looks like they were sold as bottom-end budget workingman's wagons. Chevy should have trimmed it as an SS (or at least a Malibu) and marketed it to the young surfer/sport crowd. #1965
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    11/15/09

    @tonyola: At least one person has built a phantom '66 two-door. Definitely a cool body style. #1965
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    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    11/15/09

    In reply to 1965 Chevrolet El Camino
    Back in Car & Drivers' golden years it ran an essay about automotive design trends. I recall it referring to the 1964 Chevelle as the pinnacle of the "anycar" look.

    Sounds about right to me. The 1964-65s were pretty bland and generic. You wouldn't know they were a Chevy unless finding the logo. #1965
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    11/15/09

    In reply to 1969 Chevrolet El Camino
    I like the NuVinyl roof, even though it does have that spray-on hair vibe going. #1969
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    11/15/09

    In reply to 1965 Chevrolet El Camino
    Pretty nice, if you can't get the matching Ranchero. I really admire the owner's consistent commitment to primer. #1965
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/15/09

    In reply to 1965 Chevrolet El Camino
    You don't see full-on primer like that much anymore, at least not where I am. Chevy really hit its stride with these Chevelle/Mallibu designs--why not bring them back, Chevy? One square one and one rounded?
    On the good news front, I've almost persuaded my family that we need to go to Alameda, CA for vacation. They don't fully understand, but I think they're just tired of hearing about it. Hey, whatever works! #1965
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    11/15/09

    In reply to 1965 Chevrolet El Camino
    I like the boxier lines on the Chevelle, but on the ElCo, I prefer the '68-'72 models. Of course, I'd gladly still rock one, and this one is pretty sweet. #1965
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    Image of 87CapriceEstate 87CapriceEstate
    11/15/09

    In reply to 1965 Chevrolet El Camino
    Definitely one of the smarter look El Camino generations. Maybe I will own one someday. I though that was faded red, but now I can see it is primer. #1965
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    Image of CptSevere CptSevere
    11/15/09

    In reply to 1965 Chevrolet El Camino
    Even better than yesterday's Camino! Yeah, the'65 Chevelles were nice cars. I had one when I was stationed in Italy. Even though it was a beater, had a relatively gutless 2-barrel 283 and the lousy 2 speed Powerglide, it was still an awesome car and got loads of attention. Looks even better as a Camino.

    This tough old Chevy has aged well. Yeah, the wheels and tires look just right. The hood doesn't look bad with the primer. I just hope it has anything other than the Powerglide. Hated that transmission. #1965
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