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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    Pontiac Astra GTC, anyone?
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    Image of MadcowsDiseased MadcowsDiseased
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    It looks good. Just like the Saturn Astra looked good. GM was just terrible at product placement and advertisement. And while it's 1-point-nothing litre engine may have been sufficient for all the poor saps in europe, here in AmericaFuckYeah, a car with those looks needed a bit more balls.
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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    04/09/09

    @madcows: Saturn Astra:


    No marketing
    High pricing for segment
    Lame cupholders (yeah, I know, but this apparently matters to people)


    I hate these stillbirths because they feed fuel to the fire against bringing rebadged imports over here. Same applies to Saturn in general, to a lesser degree.

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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    The GTC sketches make it look good and angry.


    The Astra looks more pedestrian.


    Any word on power? Or is this just a cosmetic change?


    I drove an Astra in Germany. It had a "Sport" button. More cars need "Sport" buttons.

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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    That stretched 5-door looks very nice.
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    Image of Turbolence88 Turbolence88
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    Such a damn shame Saturn's getting dissolved.


    Not that this car's quality once it was Saturnized would have been any better than marginal anyway.

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    Image of ranwhenparked ranwhenparked
    04/09/09

    @Turbolence88:


    There really wasn't any "Saturnization" involved in the Astra anyway. Aside from the badges and the ECU, the one we get in the states is literally the exact same car sitting on the floor of any Opel dealer in Germany.


    That was part of the car's problem, Americans aren't used to bolstered seats, tight suspension, no cup holders, and metric dash clocks.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    04/09/09

    @ranwhenparked: I can see how the 24-hour clocks might have caused some issues.


    Angry dad: Where the hell were you!? I thought I told you to have my baby girl home by 11!

    Daughter's stoner boyfriend: Chill, man, it's only 4.

    Angry dad: In the morning!

    Daughter's stoner boyfriend: Yeah dude. 11 is also in the morning.

    *Angry dad turns around*

    Angry dad: Eloise! Get my gun!

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    Image of drewdrawshashtags drewdrawshashtags
    04/09/09

    @ranwhenparked: Hmm, that's not how I recall it.


    I think the Saturn version got slightly silly bumpers, an American engine, piss-poor mileage and a price that was higher than its competitors.


    That's why it didn't sell. It lacked half of what buyers were looking for in the car, namely efficient, revvy euro engines and a cheaper price than a Golf/Rabbit. It had neither.


    I went, I looked, I bought something else.

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    Image of .357 .357
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    This is what GM should do. Instead of selling it as a Saturn, sell it as an Opel. I mean, people will think, "Wow this is a brand new car company with fresh ideas. I like their cars. Awesome." Then they find out that its GM. "Goddammit. This car is a piece of shit. Where's my Civic?"
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    04/09/09

    @.357:Half Man-Half Amazing: ...Isn't that exactly what happened with Saturn? I mean...well...EXACTLY?
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    Image of .357 .357
    04/09/09

    @wrx-TyrannosaurusWrx: This is different. Somehow...
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    04/09/09

    @.357:Half Man-Half Amazing: It is exactly the same, but different.
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    Image of Motor_Yakuza Motor_Yakuza
    04/09/09

    @.357:Half Man-Half Amazing: Huh, making Buick fresh? That's like giving John McCain skater cloths.
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    Image of .357 .357
    04/09/09

    @Motor_Yakuza: You know, I'd like to see that.
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    Image of philipmein philipmein
    04/09/09

    @.357:Half Man-Half Amazing: I want GM to make the Astra a global car. Like Ford is doing with the Fiesta.


    The Cruze could be sedan only and the Astra would be the smaller hatchback alternative. Like the Civic and the Fit for Honda.

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    04/09/09

    @philipmein: That approach is entirely too logical and will get you nowhere. No, this is GM we're talking about. You have to produce like 300 different models, with at least 5 competing against each other at all times (as well as competing with Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc.). It's a rule. And you know what sticklers for rules we can be.
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    Image of .357 .357
    04/09/09

    @engineerd has Ben in his head: Also, the most important rule, they have to be sold to every rental company in the U.S. and Canada.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    04/09/09

    @.357:Half Man-Half Amazing: Hell, I'd pay good money to see that.
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    Image of TBM-Fan TBM-Fan
    04/09/09

    @.357:Half Man-Half Amazing: means you'll have to photoshop it

    cause otherwise it won't happen
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    Image of .357 .357
    04/09/09

    @TBM-Fan: Yes it will! I know it will! I don't care what anyone says!
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    Is this the one that's supposed to get 4WD and be totally kickass even though us Yanks will never see it?
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    Image of robot-shmobot robot-shmobot
    04/09/09

    In reply to 2010 Opel Astra, GTC Get Much-Needed Facelift
    Holy Mazda 3 batman.
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    Image of the lesser of two weevils the lesser of two weevils
    04/09/09

    @robot-shmobot: This is what the new 3 should have looked like. We're stuck with Beaky McGee.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    04/09/09

    @the lesser of two weevils: Isn't that Diddles' kid brother?
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    04/09/09

    @robot-shmobot: Only on the sketch, my dear boy.
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    04/09/09

    @robot-shmobot: You mean, holy previous-generation Mazda3. I swear, GM of Europe is the GM of Europe.
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