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    2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine

    GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    7.0L DI? Sign me up for that powerhouse. #gmcsierra
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    I can't stop crying long enough to read the article...sniffle...sniffle.

    Thhherrre gggonnna toss the big-block...sniffle, why?

    (Dries eye with shirt cuff.) #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    For a vehicle like this to be allowed to be registered for on-road use with anything but a compression-ignition engine violates all sorts of laws of reason. I won't go so far as to say they ought to be outlawed, but come on, a gas engine in a truck? Really? Once you've gone oil-burning, you never go back. #gmcsierra
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    Image of kingfling kingfling
    11/09/09

    @mechimike: 'cause you could save $1,000s and still get decent power to tow and haul. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/09/09

    @kingfling:

    More like save $7K, and in the case of a big block, tow the same amount. Too bad only the 6.0 is left, which at least still saves all the money. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: And get 10 mpg. And only last 200K between rebuilds. My '92 Dodge Cummins gets 21 mpg (not towing), has 250,000 miles, and runs better than any gas truck I've ever owned. They routinely go for 300 and 400K between rebuilds, and that's if you're a bit flighty on the maintenance. Oh, and 5.9 litres? Tows my car hauler just fine. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    A GM big block will run WAY past 200K miles without a rebuild (like 300K). They get worse milage, but if you don't tow a ton of miles, you'll be way ahead with upfront savings.

    If you tow consistantly and enough miles, diesels the only choice. For low milage towers, a BBC works great. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: In my experience, the diesels hold their value much better, too. A 200K mile diesel truck that's 10 years old will still bring about 1/2 the cost of a new one on the used market, whereas the gas trucks depreciate much, much faster.

    Depending on where you live, the diesel may also be cheaper to run, since they aren't subject to the same inspections as gas vehicles, and some of them can be run on veggie oil if you're so inclined. Maintenance is also somewhat less frequent. #gmcsierra
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    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: The diesel is also much more pleasant to tow with, IMO. I have a 5 speed model, and the Cummins will plod forward in just about any gear once rolling. I've towed with gas vehicles, and shifting is a much more frequent experience there. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    Have you towed with a BBC with the Allison? Not a 6.0 or a Ford V10, etc?

    Again, the resale isn't true as used they tend to cost the same delta more as new (5-7K). So maybe % wise you've "lost more" but in reality it's the same $ lost.

    Any savings on inspections would certainly not surpass the greater mainanence costs. On the last service I had done, here's the differences I saw:

    $60 vs $120 for transmission fluid
    $35 vs $95 for fuel filter

    The list goes on and on like that.

    So, if you don't tow a lot of miles there is no need to waste your money on a diesel if there's a BBC option. When I was truck shopping I did the full business case, and it would take something like 100K miles to pay off a diesel, and I'll never tow that much. You diesel guys refuse to accept it, but I guess I'd be adamant too if I wasted a lot more money (that was said tongue in cheek fyi). #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: I've had my Dodge about 2 years, and already put over 21,000 miles on it. Most of that there was a trailer behind it or a ton and a half of something in the bed. Of course, I only paid $5000 (it was 15 years old with 229,000 miles on it when I got it)for the truck, and yes, an oil change is a $50 affair rather than $20. But I also hope to have the truck for a long, long time. And I like being able to go 500 miles between fillups!

    Diesels don't need any ignition system maintenance, either- no plugs, wires, etc.

    Oh well, arguing on the intrawebs = pissing into a tornado. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    Well, for 5K you can't go wrong.

    When GM shopping, you won't touch a D-max for that much, and I didn't want an older vehicle.

    Also, you've put a lot of miles on it, so you seem to be missing the point that gasser's are only better for the occaisonal tower. If you tow a lot, then the diesel starts to make lots of sense. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: I guess I can buy that, problem is, spending 30k on a vehicle to be used only infrequently doesn't make a whole lot of sense, period, regardless of the powerplant. Nor does driving a vehicle that gets 15 mpg as a daily driver, unless your commutes are very, very short. *shrug* I see too many "cowboys" around here driving 20 miles or more each way to work in gas hogs. I'm somewhat guilty, though since my g/f and I both commute to the same place in her 20 mpg jimmy, I rationalize by saying we're using the same fuel as if we each drove a 40 mpg separately! #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    You don't have to rationalize fuel use on Jalop!

    I see the thought on new gas ones, but it still takes 100K miles to make up the upfront costs. So if you don't plan to drive it into the ground for whatever reason the business case still makes sense for a gasser (although you can't get the big block any more). In stock form, a D-max doesn't drive any faster either, and the fuel economy isn't much better due to DPF, etc.

    Overall, I'd prefer a diesel, but for the 6K I spent on my loaded 01 with a big block/allison, there wasn't any way to justify spending more for a D-max with higher miles. #gmcsierra
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    Image of FordTuffMcgruff FordTuffMcgruff
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: I use my F-250 with a 460 for pulling a gooseneck short distances. Rebuilding it to late 1960's pre smog specs was cheaper than going diesel and resulted in a truck that pulls just as well as our 7.3 powerstroke. For companies and people that do in town or any other short distance hauling a big gas motor makes perfect sense... that extra 6 grand up front buys alot of gas over the next few years. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/11/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: Yeah, I've heard the Cummins are better for MPG- the best gasser Dodges that would tow what I needed to tow got like 5 mpg worse.

    Back when gas was 4 bucks a gallon, I bet there were some screaming deals to be had on a good used tow rig, especially with a gas engine. Nicely bought. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/11/09

    @FordTuffMcgruff: I guess we can agree on this one. I use my Dodge diesel for a lot of long distance stuff- I've towed from Nevada to SC, for example- and its great for that. You can actually go the entire day without shutting it off, just idling at the fuel station. But for short, low miles stuff, I could see the gas being more economical.

    But man, that sound when the turbo spools up. Its awesome. ;-) #gmcsierra
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    Image of marklar marklar
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    7.0 liters = 454? How's about a throwback SS model? #gmcsierra
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    11/09/09

    @marklar: You'd need to punch it out to 7.4. #gmcsierra
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    Image of token_illiterate_commenter token_illiterate_commenter
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    Does it come with 427 emblems with crossed flags? #gmcsierra
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    Image of dal20402 dal20402
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    Why bother with that out-of-date 8.1 liter big block when you could have a lighter, more powerful, more efficient DI 7.0 small block? #gmcsierra
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/09/09

    @dal20402: You're boring. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mwc5446 mwc5446
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    Makes me wonder if something else was uncovered and they didn't have the time/$$ to address it...
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    03/11/09

    @mwc5446: That theory may have merit. It would certainly make this seem like a lot less of an asshat maneuver.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    Penny wise. Pound foolish.
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    Image of sos10 sos10
    03/11/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: we could add a third one... Dollar ...?
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    03/11/09

    @sos10: @sos10: Bill. Funky dollar bill.
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    Image of jduffy13 jduffy13
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwww....
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    03/11/09

    @jduffy13: Nobody's making you hang around here.
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    Image of sos10 sos10
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    It is only natural. It would have been a waste of money since GM's new owner, FIAT, has excellent in-house diesel technology.
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    Image of IamZardoz IamZardoz
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    I have never understood why small diesels werent available for normal pickups, I would have bought one.
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    Image of elwood elwood
    03/11/09

    @IamZardoz: They're just not available here, but the rest of the world has been enjoying them for years. Because every jackass who wants a truck just buys something oversized, instead of a truck they could actually use. So it doesn't make any sense for companies to put a diesel in anything smaller than a 3/4 ton.


    If you really want a small diesel truck, it's time to start rooting for Mahindra.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    03/11/09

    @elwood: I'm pretty sure it's all about emissions. GM used to offer half-ton diesel pickups and SUVs up until the early '90s (but not in California, obviously), but as soon as federal regs started tightening on sub-8500lbs. GVW vehicles, it was game over. At least, that's how it seemed to go down.
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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    Weren't they also using CGI* for the block? Yet another innovation on which GM fails to capitalize...


    * here CGI = "Compacted Graphite Iron", not Pixar animation or desktop computers...

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    Image of Dr. H. F. Danger Dr. H. F. Danger
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    Too bad, that would work great in a Prius.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    I see that today is Jalop Truck Day so far......
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    03/11/09

    @UDMan: And it's not even Monday.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    03/11/09

    In reply to GM Shelves 4.5-Liter Duramax Diesel, Engine Dorks Weep
    It's is very difficult to try and get diesels to pass the new EPA 2010 emission regulations. Not only do you have to have a DPF, but you have to have an electronic EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculator), and a place to store a Urea tank. All of these components have electronic sensors, that run off the engine management computer system.


    That said, did you know that Caterpillar Engine will no longer offer a highway specific engine after 2009? They could not clean up their engine to meet the new standards, and Navistar is trying to get a one year waver from the EPA for their Durastar Truck Engines, because it looks like they won't meet the standards either.

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