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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    12/02/09

    In reply to Chevrolet Cruze: Live And In The Metallic Flesh
    In appearance, it looks years ahead of the decades behind Cobalt. Not just in visual appeal, but it just looks like something higher quality then the cheap ass Cobalt and the Cavalier it replaced.

    Nonetheless, its not revolutionary. Its the GM fanboy's second favorite Chevy (behind the also not revolutionary Volt). Its a competent car, and the only reason its gotten as much love as it has, is the fact Chevy hasn't had a competive car in decades. This hasn't been the same for automakers like Toyota, Honda, and Ford.

    GM deserves a pat on the back for this car. Nothing else.
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    12/02/09

    In reply to Chevrolet Cruze: Live And In The Metallic Flesh
    Ooooo....it looks...the same as it has for like three years now.

    Grille needs more busy if it's going to fight the smaller Fiesta.
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    Edited by bmoreDLJ at 12/02/09 10:23 AM bmoreDLJ was starred bmoreDLJ was unstarred
    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/02/09

    @bmoreDLJ: How is that?

    The Cruze was just released in Europe as a 2009 model.
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    Image of drewdrawsLA drewdrawsLA
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: I think because GM has been releasing images of this pile of meh for years in the manner of the overexposed Camaro.
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    Image of Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp
    12/02/09

    In reply to Chevrolet Cruze: Live And In The Metallic Flesh
    Now, if there was a wagon variant, I might even consider owning one in the future. Since wagons are supposedly unmarketable, however, no dice.

    On the other hand, it's tough to do worse than the dynasties of shitboxes that this car is replacing, so at least there's that.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/02/09

    @Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp: I liked the Cobalt, actually; interior materials notwithstanding, it really was decent little car, as long as you got it with a manual.

    The styling was far from exciting, but neither was it offensive. It put down competitive performance numbers, it got great mileage, and it had a number of cool gadgets and features that you couldn't even find on a $150k S-class. My personal favorite was the tire pressure gauge, which actually indicated what the pressure in each individual tire was, as opposed to other systems that simply illuminated an idiot light indicating that one of the four tires is low on air.

    Had they given it some better interior materials and a better automatic, it would have been an awesome little car. As it is, all can be forgiven for bringing us the the all-kinds-of-awesome Cobalt SS Sedan.
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    Image of Timtoolman, sporadically speaking Timtoolman, sporadically speaking
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: I once rented a Pontiac that had the pressure gauge and would have been stranded halfway across Florida without it. Not a Pontiac fan, but this was a really great option to have.
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    Image of nataku8_e30 nataku8_e30
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: I also like the Cobalt. I haven't driven a manual one yet (I will in about 3 weeks since I convinced my Mom to buy an XFE use C4C and my GM card discount - 8k new), but I even liked the lousy automatic models. I was able to average high 30 mpgs with the AC blasting at 80 mph, and it was a good car to avoid getting into trouble with. The transmission was really annoying though, in that it just wouldn't downshift.
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    12/02/09

    @nataku8_e30: I can echo this. I drove a rented Cobalt a couple weeks ago and got a verified 36mpg doing mostly 90mph over 200miles of freeway.
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    Image of Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: The SS is obviously an exception that is not obvious enough for me to have thought of.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/02/09

    In reply to Chevrolet Cruze: Live And In The Metallic Flesh
    How is the Cruze a Fiesta fighter?

    The Fiesta is intended as a subcompact to slot below the current (and upcoming) Focus. The Cruze is intended to replace the Cobalt, which itself was a Focus competitor.

    The competition for the Fiesta will be whatever GM comes up with to replace the Aveo; knowing Whitacre, we'll soon be seeing a new Chevette.
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    Edited by pauljones at 12/02/09 10:01 AM pauljones was starred pauljones was unstarred
    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: You're absolutely right it's not quite a Fiesta-substitute, but it's certainly also not a Focus-fighter as it's too small. The Malibu, for all intents and purposes, slots up against the Fusion and the Impala faces up against the Taurus. But, for the moment, it'll be all they've got in either the small or compact segment that's competitive -- so in that way it's a Fiesta-fighter.
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    Edited by Ray Wert at 12/02/09 10:48 AM Ray Wert was starred Ray Wert was unstarred
    Image of twitchykun(level 10 Jalop-Knight) twitchykun(level 10 Jalop-Knight)
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: Aveo....that rental car of mine is trying to kill me. It shudders when i try to reach freeway speeds. When I turn the body rolls. The steering wheel feels like it's gonna come apart in my hands.

    I'm scared as to what might replace the Aveo. It might be scarier.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/02/09

    @Ray Wert: I understand your point from the perspective that it's the only real small car they have (the Aveo just doesn't count), and that makes sense.

    But I don't think that the Malibu can be argued as slotting up against the Focus; the Focus is a much smaller, much cheaper car. The Fusion, however, is pretty close to an even match for the Malibu.
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    12/02/09

    @twitchykun(level 10 Jalop-Knight): It sounds like my Saturn.
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    Image of twitchykun(level 10 Jalop-Knight) twitchykun(level 10 Jalop-Knight)
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: you're a greater man than I, good sir. I'm only stuck with this as a rental.
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    Image of CAJensen01 CAJensen01
    12/02/09

    @Ray Wert: That's not true at all. The Malibu would slot up against the Fusion, the Altima, the Camry, etc. The Aveo's re-design will slot against the Fiesta. It may be a year or two coming. But the Cruze would slot against the Focus.
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: Oops. sorry. I meant Fusionm, not Focus.
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    12/02/09

    @CAJensen01: Yeah, I know. I wrote Focus when I meant Fusion. Damn Ford and their F-ing F-worded naming schema!
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/02/09

    @Ray Wert: It does make life confusing, especially this early in the morning on California time, which you are now on as a result of attending the LA Auto Show.

    Welcome to Californialand, my home sweet home.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    In reply to Chevrolet Cruze: Live And In The Metallic Flesh
    I will name it Mark because it looks like a hare-lipped dog.
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    Image of ha1156w ha1156w
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    Where's the diesel engine that Europe gets? You want mileage and low-speed drivability/torque? Stop stuffing a wheezing 4-cylinder gas engine in the hood tied to a rubber-band-worthy transmission. Stick shift FWD GMs are historically like driving on novacaine.

    My big question is how well and how fast will the car age under normal use?

    Will the plastics and the craptastic clips that hold them start breaking off in your hand like past/current GMs? Will interior panels start loosing their coatings and peel away like the dash finish paint like my always-garaged 21st century Sierra at 5 years old? I went through a brake release lever or two, a glove box latch, and innumerable squeaks and rattles from the hard polystyrene construction.

    Are the components designed to live on the edge of their design spec under normal use like the ABS modules of my Sierra's sibling GM trucks/SUVs (ever hear one humming constantly? That's it. $1600 replacement due to underdesigned transistors and no snubber diodes FTW whee! So common there's actually a thriving rebuild market if you know where to look.)?

    Will the transmissions outlast the first 100k with their plastic bushings and stamped shell gears (yep, been there too. Got 51k out of the first one.)?

    When you factor in that their profit margins for this vehicle are razor thin (I understand they LOST $10 for every Cavalier built at the end of that model, hoping to make it up in financing and service), it doesn't bring a lot of confidence to their latest nameplate. Agreed with all the others they need to STOP RENAMING THINGS every other model cycle. A new name and marketing campaign doesn't make your car any better.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/29/09

    @ha1156w: I think they were going to name it the "XMan" this time, but the name was copyrighted. Then there was another guy in marketing that wanted to move up a letter, and call it the "YManY". But they got stuck in committee trying to decide if that required punctuation or a question mark. So after that, they decided "Cruze" was a nice American sounding surname, so they would just go with that. Being as, of course, "Roosevelt" was simply too darned long.
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    Image of longdx longdx
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    I like it, not necessarily ground breaking, but nice overall. Both engines, pretty much slot it comparison with the current Cobalt.

    In reference to the Cobalt, it is a bit of an enigma to me. The styling is not offensive, but not groundbreaking. The interior is miss-match of cleverly thought out details and cheap materials.(i.e. the Cobalt has a TPS readout that shows the psi of each tire..very nice compared to more expensive cars that just have one glaring light when one tire is 3-5 psi below the specs. but conversely the seat material is easily stained and the dash is hard plastic). I'd say the Cobalt is 70% of what it should be.

    If the Cruze can improve on the refinement of the current Cobalt , then it will do well.
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    Image of MaWeiTao MaWeiTao
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    It would be smarter for GM to stick to a single name and show that there's a process of evolution and improvement taking place. Much like the Japanese did so by sticking with the Civic or Corolla. Instead, every generation they stick a new name on the car, which instead leaves the impression that they're a bit desperate and previously incompetent.
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    11/29/09

    @MaWeiTao: Its not necessarily wrong though. Cobalt sucked, so why would you keep that name? The buying consumer is a shallow person, who thinks newer is better. A new name implies something totally new. Of course, this can be both a good and bad thing.

    What it all really comes down to is the product. If the product is good, people will notice your new car with its new name. Look at the Fusion.
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    Image of underwear-ninja underwear-ninja
    11/29/09

    @Ford Tempo Fanatic: I still have a habit of calling the Fusion Taurus. Then again I still call the Focus a Tempo... I'm trapped in the 90's, some one help!
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    Image of skierpage skierpage
    11/29/09

    @MaWeiTao: But if GM's inept marketing department didn't come up with new names, what would the overpaid marketing types do? I'm sure GM has regularly put together an incompetent marketing task force to evaluate the synergies of not changing model names, but the conclusion is always no new name might mean less need for redundant marketing droids!
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    Image of TexanIdiot25: II The Return TexanIdiot25: II The Return
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    GM, you're doing it wrong. Turbo should require jamming in *at least* 100 more horse power. What was that damn-near-300-hp Ecotec for?
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    Too bad it won't be in the marketplace until after my wife and I visit Vegas in a few weeks. I'd actually consider this as a rental*.

    /dreading 11 days of rental car...thought they are very good at helping you appreciate what you own

    *I'd really like a Fit, but those aren't at all common as rental vehicles. I'd even take a Mabiloo, if the price is right.

    Less $'s spent on car = an extra few hands at the blackjack table
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    Image of Peugeot 504 - the Car for Nigeria Peugeot 504 - the Car for Nigeria
    11/29/09

    @that ain't the way to have fun, son: Oh so true that they make you appreciate your own wheels. Five days spent behind the wheel of a [short break for vomiting] rental Dodge Caliber this summer made coming back to the 5-speed '95 Outback truly magnificent. No more out-of-balance wheels, torque steer, cheap plastic, dimwitted transmission, crappy visibility, uncomfortable driving position, and the Caliber's crowning Under-Achievement, a complete inability to hit a bump and refrain from loosening people's teeth.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/29/09

    @Peugeot 504 - the Car for Nigeria:

    Heart-click for making my rental car shopping list one car shorter.
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    Image of HoyaCarLover HoyaCarLover
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    Not horrible by the usual GM small-car standard...but

    (1) Stupid name.

    (2) Weak engines.

    (3) GM had better not kill SAAB
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    Image of MrHowser: Now on XBL as NoReturnPolicy MrHowser: Now on XBL as NoReturnPolicy
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    So, I definitely prefer the looks of this to the Corolla, and perhaps even Civic and Sentra. With a 6MT, this could go to the top of my test-drive list if I were in the market for a new small car.
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    11/29/09

    @MrHowser: Now on XBL as NoReturnPolicy: I'll have to see it in person, but based on the pictures, I disagree. The Civic looks better than the Corolla looks better than the Sentra, in my opinion, and the Cruze slides somewhere in the middle...

    And doesn't the Sentra come with a six-speed, anyway?
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    Image of Evil-Jeremy Evil-Jeremy
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    Oh, good. More Daewoos. That's a great plan considering how well the entire "let's buy that Korean car company and rebadge their incredibly unpopular cars as GMs plan has worked out so far.

    I find it incredibly depressing that it's virtually impossible to buy an economy car that was manufactured in America or Canada.
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    11/29/09

    @Evil-Jeremy: The Ford Focus is also made in the US, and if you're a masochist, the Dodge Caliber's made in Illinois.
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    Image of jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    Hey! It looks like the interior is better than a Corvette.
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    Image of arbnpx arbnpx
    11/29/09

    In reply to 2011 Chevy Cruze: Don't Call It A Cobalt
    2005 Chevy Cobalt: Don't Call It A Cavalier
    1982 Chevy Cavalier: Don't Call It A Monza
    1975 Chevy Monza: Don't Call It A Vega
    1970 Chevy Vega: Don't Call It A Corvair

    But seriously, "one of the most real world-tested GM products prior to a U.S. launch." Kudos to them; that's far more than the previous four offerings had.

    I'm dismayed at the Watt's linkage rear suspension. It was "technically advanced" back when James Watt invented it in the 1780's. Honda's been doing four wheel independent suspension on the Civic for how long? But anyway, maybe next generation they can do something like a short-long-arm suspension.
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment arbnpx was starred arbnpx was unstarred
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    11/29/09

    @arbnpx: Sure about that? I was under the impression that the Civic's been rocking a McPherson front for a few years now.

    Just be glad they're not still using a live axle. They'd do it, too, if it was a nickel cheaper.
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    11/29/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I'm talking about the rear suspension. I wish I had a better online reference for this (the Wikipedia car enthusiasts don't consistently put down the rear suspension type). The 96-00 Civic apparently had front double wishbone, but the 01-05 Civic switched that to front MacPherson. But the current USDM Civic uses double wishbone on the rear, and I saw an EK Civic rear suspension tutorial with pictures that confirmed it was independent (double wishbone probably).
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    11/29/09

    @arbnpx: I've driven the 1.6 LS they sell here in Turkey, and while it's no race car, the handling is quite alright. The ride is where they've nailed it though. It's almost near Peugeot levels, just a little softer on rough pavement and unfortunately harder through serious potholes. Still, I liked it more than the new Civic.
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    11/29/09

    @oyumurtaci: Interesting; that's probably exactly what they were aiming for.

    Still, I was hoping that GM would go for a "small fun cheap" car, something like the Civic Si or Scion tC. Hopefully they come up with a way to deliver that in a few years, but a nice-riding compact car sounds great for the majority of their market target.
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    11/29/09

    @arbnpx: The US Civic uses a MacPherson front suspension and a multi-link in the rear which was a disappointing step back for some from previous generations. The European version is an even greater step back in that it uses a torsion beam in the rear. Corollas use the same setup as European Civics which means a torsion beam in the rear.

    This just goes to show that your average consumer has no need for the latest and greatest. At least 95% of the driving public encounters virtually no situation where these suspensions wont perform as well as fully independent suspension.

    And if you do some research online you'll find people have pretty good things to say about Watt's linkages. Just because some technology was invented a long time ago doesn't mean it's somehow inherently inferior. You'd be surprised by the number of supposedly cutting-edge automotive technologies that were invented a long time ago.
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    11/29/09

    @arbnpx: Well, the U.S. will definitely be having more 'cheap' and 'fun' than we do, as the Cruze starts at around 25,000 dollars here, only has 2 trim levels (both under the LS moniker) and the electronic climate control (part of $4500 package), sunroof (add $1000), parking sensors (package), AT (add $2000), extra 2 speakers for the sound system (package), trip computer (package), automatic stuff like lights - wipers - rear view electrochromatic mirror (package) all cost extra. Add to that we only get the crappy 1.6 113hp 153 Nm engine, and I'd say you'll definitely be getting a better deal.
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