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    From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety

    Ford Taurus Simulates Parking Lot Carnage

    Lutz Calls For Three-Year NHTSA Crash Testing Moratorium

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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    Safety glass in the 1930s. Though it's probably not important enough for this list, it's not trivial either. Getting into an accident in a pre-'30s closed car often caused jagged shards of plate glass to fly everywhere with very nasty results. Safety glass greatly reduced the slicing and dicing.
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    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    Vince and Larry gave me nightmares as a kid. Interpret that how you will.
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    Image of TurboBrick [LIGIER] TurboBrick [LIGIER]
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety

    Standardized roof strength tests? Do they stack Volvo 144's on top of other models too now?
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    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    I have blind spot assist on my 2008 Aura. It works like this:
    1. put side of head against the glass to the left.
    2. adjust the driver side mirror so that the side of the car is barely visible on the inside edge of the mirror.
    3. Lean to the right so that head is in center of car.
    4. adjust passenger mirror so that the side of the car is barely visible on the inside edge of the mirror.
    5. If done correctly a vehicle entering a blind spot should be visible in the mirror immediately after leaving the rearview and should enter your field of vision as the tail of the vehicle is leaving the side mirror.
    6. Be a good driver without silly gizmos and pay attention to the road while checking mirrors at appropriate intervals. Occasional shoulder checks are recommended when changing lanes.
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    Image of Prawo Jazdy and The Velocity Trumpets: I miss Deartháir II Prawo Jazdy and The Velocity Trumpets: I miss Deartháir II
    09/24/09

    @Prawo Jazdy and The Velocity Trumpets:
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/24/09

    @Prawo Jazdy and The Velocity Trumpets: Good thing the mirror can see, because it's impossible to see anything through the enormous C-pillar of a New Beetle.
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    Image of FЯeeMan FЯeeMan
    09/24/09

    @Prawo Jazdy and The Velocity Trumpets: I agree 100%. Unfortunately, the average idiot driver adjust his/her side view mirrors so that I can see their face while I'm driving directly behind. Since they're not taught how to do it correctly*, I like the fact that a loud buzzer will go off in their car if they attempt to change lanes into me.

    *my driver's ed teacher yelled at me when I started adjusting the passenger side mirror so I could see. He had to have it adjusted so he could see behind, not me!
    Of course, he also yelled at me when my left foot hit the brake before my right. I just explained that I was expecting to find a clutch pedal there. I don't think he believed me. I'm not sure he knew what I was talking about.
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    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    The ad on this page as I'm reading it is for a motorcycle: the only vehicle that uses the rider's body as a safety cage around the fuel tank.

    How is it that the Suzuki Boulevard is still legal to sell, but the VW Thing is too dangerous?
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    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    Stuff like this is one of the main reasons I read Jalopnik. Makes me feel more intellectual and less ASBO.

    What about radial tires? Inboard fuel tanks?
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/24/09

    @snapoversteer should STFU because: brief history.

    between technology and politics, there's enough to write a book.
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    09/24/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: If you write it, I will buy it.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/24/09

    @snapoversteer: based on the traffic on this post, you might be the only one.
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    09/25/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Which would make it a stunning success. To me.

    Get cracking.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    You want ABS? Get a big fat person.
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    Image of ThreeLitre ThreeLitre
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    Great piece, Ben.

    As a possible addition, and also maybe a question, isn't it now going to be mandatory that all cars produced after I think 2011 (or maybe its later) be fitted with some form of stability control?
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    09/24/09

    @ThreeLitre: What like springs?
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    09/24/09

    @mr_dude: I guess I should have used the phrase "computer-controlled active stability control system" instead.

    Essentially something like the GTR's stability/traction control system only much more simple. Basically something that keeps the car pointed in the right direction by actively applying the brakes on a given corner of the car (or applying throttle at a corner, like the GTR - although I suspect NTHSA wouldn't go for those versions so much).
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    09/24/09

    @ThreeLitre: Really, cars have stability control that uses braking? I can understand cutting engine power but changing the driver's spot on the traction circle seems dangerous.

    Also, all cars have moved to electronic control already?
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/24/09

    @ThreeLitre: As long as I can shut it off sometimes.
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    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    09/24/09

    @mr_dude: Lithium or Prozac, maybe.
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    We've come a long way, baby.
    Great write, Mr. Wojdyla!
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    09/24/09

    @skaycog: +1. This is one of the reasons why we like Jalopnik. Between the pics of all the half naked women, crashing, heckling, wooing, hating, loving, car proning, geekiness, surliness, banning, chauvinism, sarcasm, gawkeriness, camaro dragoning, Obamanation, bailouts, apocalysm, stariness, heart clicking, arguing..there are some brilliant articles which bring out some of the most important but obscure facts.

    As the my Brit boss at work says: Bloody marvelous!
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    09/24/09

    @Formerlythegreatestdriver:
    Your comment is hysterical and so very true! I can't stop laughing!
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    With #11 you can also say the TPMS systems came about because of legislation that was made because of the Exploder/Firestone fiasco.

    We just aren't smart enough to check tire pressures ourselves.
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    Image of mdensch mdensch
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    The Tucker also introduced the "Safety Cellar", located in the area beneath the dashboard. I guess you were supposed to pitch yourself into it in the event of an impending crash.

    If nothing else, crews would know where to look for your body as they were cleaning up the scene.
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    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    It’s funny how you put an electric starter up there as a safety device. In actuality it is one of the deadliest devices known to man as it allowed, as you said, women and less than manly men, to drive.

    Hmm...I wonder how hard it is to hand crank a Buick 455.
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    09/24/09


    @Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger: Did you know that 48-50 Ford trucks still had a hole in the grill for a hand crank? I don't know if any other later vehicles had that feature.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    09/24/09

    @Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger: Awesome. Bikes with electric and kick starters are the apex of utility.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/24/09

    @mr_dude: unless you have one like mine that's mostly designed to work with the starter, it dies, you kick start it for a couple years, then when the battery dies the darn thing just will not start.
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    Image of P161911 probably shoudn't have P161911 probably shoudn't have
    09/24/09

    @Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger: Renault Dauphines up to 1967 had a backup hand crank.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    09/24/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Hah, well if a bike lasts more than a couple years ydiw. Maybe loan it to Wes for a week.
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    Write a book hating the Automobile, never get elected President.

    At least we got that out of his little war on the Automobile.
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    Image of kleinlowe kleinlowe
    09/24/09

    @lilwillie hides autos in the attic: War on the auto? I think you meant to say 'war on auto executives who stripped both safety and performance features in the quest for the bottom dollar'.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    09/24/09

    @lilwillie hides autos in the attic: You forget Calvin Coolidge's classic piece, Why automobiles are the work of Satan.

    More like get nominated by a third party, never get elected prez.

    My buddy was getting his old Cheyenne repaired by the truckiest mechanic I've ever seen. While the guys in the shop hurriedly stuffed springs back into the crankcase, he recalled that in his time Ford went from having a handful of efficiency personnel to a department dedicated to shaving pennies off each model.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    09/24/09

    In reply to From Benz To Bumpers: A Brief History Of Auto Safety
    Surely you aren't suggesting that the Cordoba was "overweight, underperforming and frankly undesireable"?! Heresy!
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    Image of Bandido GT - Cabrón Malnacido Bandido GT - Cabrón Malnacido
    09/24/09

    @Alfisted: undesirable??? That's because he hasn't felt the comfort of the rich corinthian leather.
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    Image of GotaGurt GotaGurt
    09/24/09

    @Bandido GT - Cabrón Malnacido: Well done. 19 minutes to the invocation of "rich Corinthian Leather". That's some kind of record.
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    Image of Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm
    09/24/09

    @Alfisted:
    It had rich Corinthian leather and Ricardo Mantelban yet did not become the best selling car of all time. There must have been SOMETHING wrong with it.
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    Image of MajesticTrout MajesticTrout
    09/24/09

    @Tiberiuswise: It didn't exactly come in a wide variety of colors. I think you could get brown, light brown, and dark brown, with or without a brown padded vinyl roof.
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    09/24/09

    @MajesticTrout: And the interiors were also brown.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/24/09

    @GotaGurt: Isn't it soft?
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    05/13/09

    In reply to Ford Taurus Simulates Parking Lot Carnage
    Remember when the shopping cart got all bent up but the door was still straight? I like those kinds of cars.
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