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bmoreDLJ
12/09/09

In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
Mmm...sexy...
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Scaramanga
12/08/09

In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
We shouldn't get too worked up about performance numbers, down the road there likely will be "Si" or "Type R" variant. CR-Z is aimed as a mass market vehicle so the base JDM version should be close to the Insight in terms of power output.

It looks to me the engine is based on a DBA-GE8/GE9 engine mated to an IMA system; which they seem to refer to as the DAA-ZF1. Mugen gets 150ps out the DBA-GE8 and the GE9 makes closer to 120ps in Fit RS, not to mention that the IMA system is fairly modular and could be mated to other more powerful Honda engines as practicality permits.

If this car gets 58mpg in JC08 testing procedures, the car should be within 1-2mpg of the Insight which gets 61mpg on the same tests. The highway mileage should be close if not identical being that JC08 is very urban heavy. So 40mpg+ should be realistically attainable.

The real question is price. If this car is noticeably cheaper then the Insight, maybe in $17~19k range, then this car makes a lot of sense. Its slightly faster then the lethargic Insight, lacks 4 doors and utility, but is a sportier, and a more desirable vehicle. At that price it also leaves room for a "Si" model with more pace higher up in the pricing.
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tonyola
12/08/09

In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
All of you folks carping about the acceleration times are missing the point of the original CRX. It wasn't a drag racer - it was a dinky, moderately-powered, lightweight, danceable sports car that could be rorted around like a go-kart at reasonable speeds. Yes, I said sports car and I meant it. It made even going to the 7-Eleven for a Sunday paper an opportunity for fun. You didn't have to manhandle or wrestle with it to get it to respond - a light touch on the wheels, pedals, and shifter was all that was needed. Ever drive a Sprite, MG Midget, or Spitfire? Or perhaps a first-gen Miata? None of these cars were very hot off the line, yet no-one accuses them of being dull. Ever take one of these on an empty hilly road with lots of tight twisties? Then I think you'll know what I'm talking about. Being able to keep the engine on the cam and tossing the car about without attracting too much unwanted attention. If Honda can keep this spirit in the new CR-Z, then I'll be interested. I'm worried about one thing though - I see no spec for weight. And it's not that tiny - 16 inches longer than the original CRX. I still think Honda should make a version without the hybrid stuff for the would-be autocrossers among us.
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Jeb_Hoge
12/08/09

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Styling by Renault, powertrain by Fisher-Price.
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Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
12/08/09

@Jeb_Hoge: My thoughts went directly to Peugot. . .I still like it though.
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GreenN_Gold
12/08/09

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Honda forgot to ask themselves one important question when they skipped straight from CR-X to CR-Z.

CR-Why?
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FormerlyPreferredCustomer
12/08/09

@GreenN_Gold:

When you said it would be light
It was a lie, lie, lie.
Now that we've seen the car
We're going to CR-Y, CR-Y, CR-Y.
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MaWeiTao
12/08/09

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The snout is a little odd and the rest of it looks too much like the Insight. I guess it's an improvement over current Hondas, but then again, that isn't saying much.

This just makes me hope Honda never brings back the Prelude. I don't think I'd be able to handle what they'd do to it.

As for performance, it's not like the old CR-X was particularly fast either. Although, the CR-Z's competition today is far faster in comparison.
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weatherman
12/08/09

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Performance is about the same as a base CRX back in the day, which is to say not great but I'm sure it feels peppy because of the size. And it looks good, which is probably more important to the sorority girls who will be driving it. I like the FT-86 just a bit better though.
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bmoreDLJ
12/08/09

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It REVEALS a Mazda...
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VeeArrrSix
12/08/09

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I guess it's a smidge faster to 60 than the 1.9L TDI that I used to drive... but that returned 47-50 MPG.
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Ash78, cube farmer
12/08/09

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Those are pretty good numbers...for a midsize diesel vehicle.

I think Honda's trying to do a REAL successor to the original Insight, but calling it CR-Z for excitement.
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Sloop_John_B
12/08/09

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9.7? Really? If it's a CRX successor don't neuter it in the acceleration department just for the sake of MPG. Besides, the original somehow did BOTH! Maybe this is just the CR-Z "HF" and there's hope for a CR-Z "SI", but I'm not holding my breath. Good design and decent MPG. When compared to the original which got better MPG and was quicker? Yeah, no go.
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tekamul
12/08/09

@Sloop_John_B: The original did not do both. The HF was good for 40's in gas mileage (41/50 under the new EPA system), but was pushing 12 seconds 0-60.
The Si was much faster, but dragged mileage into the 30's. This is somewhere in between, while bringing modern safety standards into the mix.

Not that I'm happy with the outcome, just being realistic
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tonyola
12/08/09

@Sloop_John_B: The original CRX 1.5 was good for 0-60 in a bit under 10 sec and could return 40 mpg on the highway. Blasting off the line wasn't the attraction for the CRX (though the numbers weren't bad for 1984). It was the ability to keep the engine on the boil and maintain a high average speed that made it fun. I owned an '84 1.5 for 10 years and it was always a delightful dancing partner even if it never won any drag races. This is what the CR-Z needs to be in my opinion.
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theeastbaykid
12/08/09

@tekamul: Not only that, all previous-gen CRXs are death traps compared to modern cars with safety equipment. That meant they were lighter and thus got more performance and efficiency out of a given powerplant. And, an $11k 1991 CRX Si is around $18-19k in 2009 dollars, or roughly the same as a Fit Sport, which has modern safety, emissions, and convenience gear, plus a friggin' aux input. Not saying the CRX wasn't a great car (it was), or that it doesn't have some advantages over cars like the Fit or the CR-Z (it does), but the bottom line is that it's an old car who's era has passed. If you want a '91 CRX Si really bad, then you've gotta go out and get a '91 CRX Si.
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philibuster
12/08/09

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Here's a tip for you would-be photographers of magazines: use a freaking scanner.
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snapoversteer 'bout to get told
12/08/09

In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
I'd be more tempted by it if the fuel economy were derived from light weight instead of a hybrid drivetrain.
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Scandinavian Flick
12/08/09

@snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Werd. Why for no weight specs? With those numbers, I can't imagine it's all that light...
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Number_Six
12/08/09

@snapoversteer 'bout to get told: For sure. 2400lbs + 114HP = CRX. I like the looks but Insight performance is not a recipe for sporty fun.
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snapoversteer 'bout to get told
12/08/09

@Scandinavian Flick: My thoughts exactly. How much fun would a CRX successor with this exact same gas engine be if you could build it to weigh about 1800 lbs?
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pauljones
12/02/09

In reply to Cadillac CTS Coupe: Very, Very Pointy In Person
I want one with a Northstar.
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Rust-MyEnemy
12/02/09

In reply to Cadillac CTS Coupe: Very, Very Pointy In Person
Cool. Squint and it's a bit like a GTA Blista Compact.

I shall be having a Vice City test drive this evening.
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