Which end drives? The fore and aft layout says RWD, but I don't see a driveline hump in that one shot of the back seat.
If we can establish the provenance beyond the breathless seller's assertions, it could be worth a fair chunk of change. I dunno that I'd go all the way to $37K, but deep into the 20s, yeah.
@Elhigh: It's hard to see from the craigslist pictures, but if you look closely you can see the engine is transverse mounted. The Hot Rod article referenced here earlier shows a clearer shot.
This has a little more on the background of the car, but not much. It apparently has a ~3.5L SOHC V8, which theoretically rules out Northstar prototype.
This car makes me sad. Not because I don't like it, but because all of this automotive craziness is destined to sit unused for another 23 years, and then some.
I have to think that you could forgo the factory pedigree, and build a reasonable facsimile for a lot less, and actually be able to title and drive it. What fun is all this hotness if you can't drive it?
It's not how I would choose to spend $37,500, but I have to admit that I think it's cool as hell.
This makes one wonder how it all went so wrong between Feretta to Beretta. One, a rear drive eight cylindered beast. The other, a Cavalier with painted bumpers.
@Rust-MyEnemy: At first I thought maybe they were planning on Beretta guns winning the lawsuit and making them change the name. After a little digging, apparently it was a take on F-body replacement.
With that bit of utterly obligatory internet exclamation out of the way, I must say that I love it. Purchasing and driving a car like this requires a hell of a sense of humor; the same kind of humor required to buy a 1968 Impala six-cylinder station wagon with the SS package.
I have that necessary sense of humor, and I would love nothing more than the opportunity to surprise the ever living hell out of a couple of the Mustangs and M3s I see on the way to work at 5 am.
Think for a moment, of how hilariously awesome this thing well and truly is. Everyday, provided that I leave on time, I get brutally cut off on the freeway on ramp by some jackass in an E34 M3 who thinks he's the shit. And when compared the Saturn that he just blew away, who's to say he isn't?
I would love to show up one day in this totally POS-looking Chevrolet Beretta and block his ass all the way up the on ramp, then proceed to leave his cocky ass in the dust all the way to work with my heavily massaged LT1 V8 shoved into a car that that weighs maybe 3000 lbs. I would derive unfathomable levels of glee from doing that every morning and imagining the dumbstruck look on his face.
@pauljones: If it had a poll, it would have to be Crack Pipe. AFAIK, it can't be titled. So you'd have a Beretta lawn ornament, just like Clem in the trailer park.
@Rust-MyEnemy: If you do it right and put the Aurora V8 in place of the backseat, you would not only solve the drive wheel issues, you might just be able to get it to go around a corner, too.
@Rust-MyEnemy: If there were more people like us, the world would be a much, much better place.
We would all be too concerned about what kind of insane automotive project we wanted to tackle next to bother with this whole "killing each other" thing going on right now.
For a month now, nearly every day I've been out cornering a riced out DC2 Integra around an off-ramp on the way to work in my stock 2000 Legacy Outback wagon - the kid tries so hard but doesn't seem to understand how to drive around understeer...
@pauljones: Besides the fact that the person doing the advertising is obviously a moron, I too think the car would be very cool.
And I've gotten a lot of satisfaction blowing past people in the Red Line. 250 horsepower in an Ion is more fun than most people would think, mostly for the reasons you've stated.
It's an ok design, but really I'd like to see a whole new car. It depresses me that there are no good new designs coming out of the Russian auto industry. If ever there was a nation with the intellectual capital to build great cars, it's Russia. I guess it'll take a while before they fully work the communism out of their system and start making nice rides.
It's going to need wider front tires to prevent lots of understeer if it is based on the 3000GT, I think. What is with everyone wanting the "staggard" look, at the sacrifice of proper handling, on AWD cars? Yes, I used the Craigslist spelling (one of many, actually) of "staggered."
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If we can establish the provenance beyond the breathless seller's assertions, it could be worth a fair chunk of change. I dunno that I'd go all the way to $37K, but deep into the 20s, yeah.
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That thing must torque steer something fierce.
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Jeez, don't mash the pedal in the rain.
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This has a little more on the background of the car, but not much. It apparently has a ~3.5L SOHC V8, which theoretically rules out Northstar prototype.
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I have to think that you could forgo the factory pedigree, and build a reasonable facsimile for a lot less, and actually be able to title and drive it. What fun is all this hotness if you can't drive it?
It's not how I would choose to spend $37,500, but I have to admit that I think it's cool as hell.
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I mean, really?
I still want it quite badly though, but wouldn't want to pay this 9rick any money whatsoever, lest he spends it on more meth and crack.
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Still pretty lame. If it had been built on a Corsica I guess it would have been called Forsica.
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32-valve V8? Is that the ZR1 motor?
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With that bit of utterly obligatory internet exclamation out of the way, I must say that I love it. Purchasing and driving a car like this requires a hell of a sense of humor; the same kind of humor required to buy a 1968 Impala six-cylinder station wagon with the SS package.
I have that necessary sense of humor, and I would love nothing more than the opportunity to surprise the ever living hell out of a couple of the Mustangs and M3s I see on the way to work at 5 am.
Think for a moment, of how hilariously awesome this thing well and truly is. Everyday, provided that I leave on time, I get brutally cut off on the freeway on ramp by some jackass in an E34 M3 who thinks he's the shit. And when compared the Saturn that he just blew away, who's to say he isn't?
I would love to show up one day in this totally POS-looking Chevrolet Beretta and block his ass all the way up the on ramp, then proceed to leave his cocky ass in the dust all the way to work with my heavily massaged LT1 V8 shoved into a car that that weighs maybe 3000 lbs. I would derive unfathomable levels of glee from doing that every morning and imagining the dumbstruck look on his face.
Nice Price. And no, I'm not bitter at all.
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And yes, it would still be FWD
And no, it wouldn't go round corners. Not even slightly.
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This much I have learned in my 20-something years on this earth. If I had the car, I guarantee I could find a way to get it registered.
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We would all be too concerned about what kind of insane automotive project we wanted to tackle next to bother with this whole "killing each other" thing going on right now.
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That scenario is immensely satisfying.
For a month now, nearly every day I've been out cornering a riced out DC2 Integra around an off-ramp on the way to work in my stock 2000 Legacy Outback wagon - the kid tries so hard but doesn't seem to understand how to drive around understeer...
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And I've gotten a lot of satisfaction blowing past people in the Red Line. 250 horsepower in an Ion is more fun than most people would think, mostly for the reasons you've stated.
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Why do I suspect it's a Getrag and that this seller is 'tarded?
Let's look at some more evidence:
...and not to be pedantic, but a custom handbuilt car would not have "options," per se.
My favorite bit: "...AND WHO NOW'S WHAT ELSE GM DID TO THIS CAR /////////" Way to have any idea what you're selling. I fucking hate Craigslist.
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Ze Russians huv already played zis game before, with ze BMW M6/Volga.
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