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    Image of Scaramanga Scaramanga
    02:23 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    We shouldn't get too worked up about performance numbers, down the road there likely will be "Si" or "Type R" variant. CR-Z is aimed as a mass market vehicle so the base JDM version should be close to the Insight in terms of power output.

    It looks to me the engine is based on a DBA-GE8/GE9 engine mated to an IMA system; which they seem to refer to as the DAA-ZF1. Mugen gets 150ps out the DBA-GE8 and the GE9 makes closer to 120ps in Fit RS, not to mention that the IMA system is fairly modular and could be mated to other more powerful Honda engines as practicality permits.

    If this car gets 58mpg in JC08 testing procedures, the car should be within 1-2mpg of the Insight which gets 61mpg on the same tests. The highway mileage should be close if not identical being that JC08 is very urban heavy. So 40mpg+ should be realistically attainable.

    The real question is price. If this car is noticeably cheaper then the Insight, maybe in $17~19k range, then this car makes a lot of sense. Its slightly faster then the lethargic Insight, lacks 4 doors and utility, but is a sportier, and a more desirable vehicle. At that price it also leaves room for a "Si" model with more pace higher up in the pricing.
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    02:04 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    All of you folks carping about the acceleration times are missing the point of the original CRX. It wasn't a drag racer - it was a dinky, moderately-powered, lightweight, danceable sports car that could be rorted around like a go-kart at reasonable speeds. Yes, I said sports car and I meant it. It made even going to the 7-Eleven for a Sunday paper an opportunity for fun. You didn't have to manhandle or wrestle with it to get it to respond - a light touch on the wheels, pedals, and shifter was all that was needed. Ever drive a Sprite, MG Midget, or Spitfire? Or perhaps a first-gen Miata? None of these cars were very hot off the line, yet no-one accuses them of being dull. Ever take one of these on an empty hilly road with lots of tight twisties? Then I think you'll know what I'm talking about. Being able to keep the engine on the cam and tossing the car about without attracting too much unwanted attention. If Honda can keep this spirit in the new CR-Z, then I'll be interested. I'm worried about one thing though - I see no spec for weight. And it's not that tiny - 16 inches longer than the original CRX. I still think Honda should make a version without the hybrid stuff for the would-be autocrossers among us.
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    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    01:19 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    Styling by Renault, powertrain by Fisher-Price.
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    01:35 PM

    @Jeb_Hoge: My thoughts went directly to Peugot. . .I still like it though.
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    Edited by Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . at 12/08/09 1:36 PM Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . was starred Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . was unstarred
    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    01:12 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    Honda forgot to ask themselves one important question when they skipped straight from CR-X to CR-Z.

    CR-Why?
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    Image of FormerlyPreferredCustomer FormerlyPreferredCustomer
    01:20 PM

    @GreenN_Gold:

    When you said it would be light
    It was a lie, lie, lie.
    Now that we've seen the car
    We're going to CR-Y, CR-Y, CR-Y.
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    Image of MaWeiTao MaWeiTao
    01:06 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    The snout is a little odd and the rest of it looks too much like the Insight. I guess it's an improvement over current Hondas, but then again, that isn't saying much.

    This just makes me hope Honda never brings back the Prelude. I don't think I'd be able to handle what they'd do to it.

    As for performance, it's not like the old CR-X was particularly fast either. Although, the CR-Z's competition today is far faster in comparison.
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    01:04 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    Performance is about the same as a base CRX back in the day, which is to say not great but I'm sure it feels peppy because of the size. And it looks good, which is probably more important to the sorority girls who will be driving it. I like the FT-86 just a bit better though.
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    01:01 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    It REVEALS a Mazda...
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12:57 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    I guess it's a smidge faster to 60 than the 1.9L TDI that I used to drive... but that returned 47-50 MPG.
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    12:53 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    Those are pretty good numbers...for a midsize diesel vehicle.

    I think Honda's trying to do a REAL successor to the original Insight, but calling it CR-Z for excitement.
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    Image of Sloop_John_B Sloop_John_B
    12:48 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    9.7? Really? If it's a CRX successor don't neuter it in the acceleration department just for the sake of MPG. Besides, the original somehow did BOTH! Maybe this is just the CR-Z "HF" and there's hope for a CR-Z "SI", but I'm not holding my breath. Good design and decent MPG. When compared to the original which got better MPG and was quicker? Yeah, no go.
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    Image of tekamul tekamul
    12:53 PM

    @Sloop_John_B: The original did not do both. The HF was good for 40's in gas mileage (41/50 under the new EPA system), but was pushing 12 seconds 0-60.
    The Si was much faster, but dragged mileage into the 30's. This is somewhere in between, while bringing modern safety standards into the mix.

    Not that I'm happy with the outcome, just being realistic
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    theeastbaykid promoted this comment Edited by tekamul at 12/08/09 12:54 PM tekamul was starred tekamul was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    01:43 PM

    @Sloop_John_B: The original CRX 1.5 was good for 0-60 in a bit under 10 sec and could return 40 mpg on the highway. Blasting off the line wasn't the attraction for the CRX (though the numbers weren't bad for 1984). It was the ability to keep the engine on the boil and maintain a high average speed that made it fun. I owned an '84 1.5 for 10 years and it was always a delightful dancing partner even if it never won any drag races. This is what the CR-Z needs to be in my opinion.
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    02:06 PM

    @tekamul: Not only that, all previous-gen CRXs are death traps compared to modern cars with safety equipment. That meant they were lighter and thus got more performance and efficiency out of a given powerplant. And, an $11k 1991 CRX Si is around $18-19k in 2009 dollars, or roughly the same as a Fit Sport, which has modern safety, emissions, and convenience gear, plus a friggin' aux input. Not saying the CRX wasn't a great car (it was), or that it doesn't have some advantages over cars like the Fit or the CR-Z (it does), but the bottom line is that it's an old car who's era has passed. If you want a '91 CRX Si really bad, then you've gotta go out and get a '91 CRX Si.
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    Image of philibuster philibuster
    12:42 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    Here's a tip for you would-be photographers of magazines: use a freaking scanner.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12:38 PM

    In reply to Honda CR-Z Brochure Leaks, Reveals Sexy Hybrid Coupe
    I'd be more tempted by it if the fuel economy were derived from light weight instead of a hybrid drivetrain.
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    Image of Scandinavian Flick Scandinavian Flick
    12:42 PM

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Werd. Why for no weight specs? With those numbers, I can't imagine it's all that light...
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    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    12:49 PM

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: For sure. 2400lbs + 114HP = CRX. I like the looks but Insight performance is not a recipe for sporty fun.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12:50 PM

    @Scandinavian Flick: My thoughts exactly. How much fun would a CRX successor with this exact same gas engine be if you could build it to weigh about 1800 lbs?
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    12/07/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes C-Class: Refreshed, Accidentally Unveiled
    I can totally see Mercedes not being that pissed off these photos got out early. I mean, it looks pretty much the same. When the Kia Optima's refresh is more significant than yours, you haven't done enough.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    12/07/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes C-Class: Refreshed, Accidentally Unveiled
    These are looking less and less like Mercedes children and more and more like Toyota or some other bland-mobile. Take off that star and it could be a Focus.
    Where is the styling?!
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/07/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes C-Class: Refreshed, Accidentally Unveiled
    Nicer than last years, but I'm having a hard time putting my finger on why...
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