The New York Times is reporting on New Geography's ideas. That talks about other kinds of urban renewal, you should read it sometime.
Ben, what's your bright idea to deal with the many areas of Detroit with only a few houses standing per block? Do you object to Flint's plan to demolish 6,000 abandoned houses? What happens next? #detroit
Memo to Jeep: PUT THIS IN YOUR SHOWROOMS AND SELL IT.
And by 'this', I mean 'exactly this'. Diesel, rugged, basic. Don't care if it rides like crap; it's a friggin' jeep fer chrissakes. Only option I want is a hardtop for camping in crap weather and having minimal protection against thieves. Oh, and front & rear lockers.
Giving it exclusively to AEV (where it becomes a $50,000+ toy) is an idea that needs to be stamped FAIL in big, red, angry letters. #j8
@KAR120C: Chrysler didn't give it to AEV, AEV went out and twisted Chrysler's arm to get it, and the reason it's that expensive is because it's built to a significantly higher durability specification, has a different rear suspension and is basically hand assembled rather than on an assembly line. #j8
@Ben Wojdyla: Good points, and you're right. I (and everyone else who wants them to come back from the ashes) really need to keep the high emotions re: Jeep in check. #j8
@Ben Wojdyla: Leaf springs, steel wheels, less safety equipment, diesel motor...that doesn't add up. It's pretty much the hand-built thing that causes the prices to skyrocket. However, I don't see why they can't just do the same thing on a standard jeep frame. These jeeps won't be dropped from helicopters or anything. They could EASILY make a robust, diesel jeep with this look and feel for less than 20k. #j8
@Sloop_John_B: They could, but 9 people would buy them.
As to the steel wheels, leaf springs, reinforced frame, unique body panels, Dana axles, yada yada; Yes, it's a vehicle with less consumer content, but it still requires engineering, tooling, sourcing and production overhead which all needs to be amortized over a much smaller volume than the regular Wrangler. Even a Tata Nano would be $50k if it were built in low volumes. #j8
NYT at least should have considered popular opinion, I mean, we youngsters aren't gonna take a liking to their publication if Eminem ain't rappin' 'bout D-town no mo'.
Also, here's an idea, why don't you farm where there's actually, you know, land? #detroit
Nicely done piece. As a native Californian with lots of family in the Detroit area, I have a combination of perspectives--while Detroit is undeniably in a sad state, the idea of throwing it away and starting over is an amateurish ploy for attention. It's easy to have a condescending attitude toward a place if you've never really experienced it, which the NYT apparently hasn't. #detroit
If I visit Jeep dot com, my heart rate stays the same when I go through the product line, but when I see a couple of photos of these rolling on the street it suddenly skyrockets. Shouldn't it be the other way? #j8
@Mobius: I wasn't exactly referring to the MGs on these but the down right tough as nails configuration which in this case is purely for real. The bumpers, the rings, the wheels, paint job, seats, hard top with fabric on the sides, ramps, guards, etc, etc. #j8
I agree with you concerning the zero-viability equation of any full scale, corp0rate-level farming in reclaimed Urban Areas (I spent many a summer at my grandparents dairy farm) but, to be fair, two points should be made:
1-this is not a Times editorial, or even a Times reporter's idea-it's basically a link to an article in something called 'New Geography' [www.newgeography.com]
Even so, the term "failed city" is disparaging to those who live in Detroit, past and present, and should have been addressed.
2-reading that article, it's author reflects much more on urban gardening plots than any type
of large scale farming, and these vegetable gardens on vacant lots are common in any city. However, the article does contain a certain level of hippie/commune/Whole Earth Catalog-type aphorisms ("...open land, fertile soil, ample water, willing labor..." etc.) that seem like possible wishful thinking, though it does contain instances of people actually doing this stuff-in Detroit. Would be interesting for someone living there to ferret out these (supposed) urban "farmers" and get the straight scoop.
3. I recently read an article (L.A. Times I believe) about people who knock on doors in urban SoCal areas that have fruit trees in their yards, and set up a collective to share the produce that otherwise just goes to waste (how many lemons can one family use?) So, good stuff can happen if someone's willing to work at putting it into action. #detroit
Super sweet car two things that grinds my gear tho. 1 the decal shouldn't read "diesel fuel" it should read "ONLY: JP-8, JP-5 or diesel fuel" 2 I'm not sure the interior could stand up to military use in general and especially not in a vehicle sans roof. But still ultra sweet especially with a Cumins or even steyer diesel.
@Ben Wojdyla: Not a bad choice at all, the steyer is nicer in my opinion but to each his own. Is it a R425? (2,5 liters) [www.vmmotori.it] or a 2,8 liter as in the liberty? #j8
This is what jeep should be selling to the public also. It makes me miss my scrambler. I would love one of these to haul my dogs in and carry some equipment. #j8
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The New York Times is reporting on New Geography's ideas. That talks about other kinds of urban renewal, you should read it sometime.
Ben, what's your bright idea to deal with the many areas of Detroit with only a few houses standing per block? Do you object to Flint's plan to demolish 6,000 abandoned houses? What happens next? #detroit
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For fuck's sake. Just make the green one available to the public for less than 25k with a few color choices. #j8
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And by 'this', I mean 'exactly this'. Diesel, rugged, basic. Don't care if it rides like crap; it's a friggin' jeep fer chrissakes. Only option I want is a hardtop for camping in crap weather and having minimal protection against thieves. Oh, and front & rear lockers.
Giving it exclusively to AEV (where it becomes a $50,000+ toy) is an idea that needs to be stamped FAIL in big, red, angry letters. #j8
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As to the steel wheels, leaf springs, reinforced frame, unique body panels, Dana axles, yada yada; Yes, it's a vehicle with less consumer content, but it still requires engineering, tooling, sourcing and production overhead which all needs to be amortized over a much smaller volume than the regular Wrangler. Even a Tata Nano would be $50k if it were built in low volumes. #j8
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Also, here's an idea, why don't you farm where there's actually, you know, land? #detroit
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1-this is not a Times editorial, or even a Times reporter's idea-it's basically a link to an article in something called 'New Geography' [www.newgeography.com]
Even so, the term "failed city" is disparaging to those who live in Detroit, past and present, and should have been addressed.
2-reading that article, it's author reflects much more on urban gardening plots than any type
of large scale farming, and these vegetable gardens on vacant lots are common in any city. However, the article does contain a certain level of hippie/commune/Whole Earth Catalog-type aphorisms ("...open land, fertile soil, ample water, willing labor..." etc.) that seem like possible wishful thinking, though it does contain instances of people actually doing this stuff-in Detroit. Would be interesting for someone living there to ferret out these (supposed) urban "farmers" and get the straight scoop.
3. I recently read an article (L.A. Times I believe) about people who knock on doors in urban SoCal areas that have fruit trees in their yards, and set up a collective to share the produce that otherwise just goes to waste (how many lemons can one family use?) So, good stuff can happen if someone's willing to work at putting it into action. #detroit
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