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    TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    02:41 PM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    I've said for years that I'd kill for an E30 estate, and I meant it. Not sure it can compete with that panel van, though! So much cool stuff down under that we never caught a glimpse of...
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    02:05 PM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    I remember seeing a black SP250 around Cocoa Beach in the 1970s. You have to wonder about the Daimler directors standing around the styling buck and saying "We have to build this!". Perhaps a moment of desperation? Daimler had frittered away too much money on a wide variety of luxury cars selling in small numbers. There was also the matter of a managing director and his wife using company funds for a ridiculously extravagant lifestyle, including several over-the-top show cars like the one I've pictured. It was on its last legs as an independent manufacturer and would very soon find itself in the not-so-loving arms of Jaguar. Maybe the SP250 was hideous, but it was also pretty fast for the time - top speed was close to 125 mph.
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    08:48 PM

    @tonyola: 125 mph is definitely very fast for the time...similar front-end to the fast Studebakers. The Majestic Major, with the larger 4.5-litre V8, also had a top speed above 120 mph despite being extremely heavy. It's mystery to me why Jaguar never bothered to install these engines in their cars.

    The SP250 was such a weird car for a company best known for making the limousine of choice for super-high-end hotels all over the world. Hong Kong, in particular, swore by them.
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09:26 PM

    @brandegee: William Lyons, the head of Jaguar, was notoriously protective of the make and refused to acknowledge that any ideas from "outside" might be of benefit to his cars. Too bad - the 4.5 would have been a natural for the Mark X and XJ6. Some Jaguar Mark II sedans were given the 2.5 and badged Daimler 2 1/2 Liter and V8-250 - these were said to be nicer to drive than the Mark IIs, though not as powerful as the 3.4/3.8 Jags.
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    Image of Armand Armand
    12:41 PM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    I just re-read The Unfair Advantage over the Thanksgiving holiday, and it reminded me of what a horrible car the Daimler SP250 was. Styling aside (which, of course, is purely subjective) the fiberglass body was flimsy, the gearbox was clunky, and in pretty much every race Mark Donohue entered with his it would overheat and wipe out the center main bearing. Plus, they were no bigger or roomier than a Sunbeam Alpine, not much faster than a Triumph TR4, and nearly as expensive as an E-Type. About the only nice thing Donohue said about it was that it made a great noise from the 2.5-liter hemi-head V8.

    TheEastBayKid's pictures make me think I could deal with engine rebuilds every few hundred miles, if only I could sit in that interior, look over that curved hood and motor off into the sunset. I'll just have to remember to keep a bunch of center main bearings in the trunk.
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    Image of jbh11126 jbh11126
    12:13 PM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    Wooowwwww...never seen a Daimler SP250 before.

    I LOVE those wheel arches. So flowing.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    12:09 PM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    Appropriately, the handsome toothy fishy-sleek Daimler is by the fish shop. What a catch! Epic find. And that old school blue Citroen is what I always picture mentally when I hear or read the word "Citroen."
    What a great trip this must have been.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    11:47 AM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    So, you can have side windows in your panel van down under? Wiki seems to agree.
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    11:35 AM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    Great finds!
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    11:15 AM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    Nice old iron. Especially that grey grouper.
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    11:08 AM

    In reply to TheEastBayKid Finds Us Some Cool Machinery In The Southern Hemisphere
    Thank you, EastBayKid, for these photos. The Daimler intrigues me.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    08/09/09

    In reply to Vauxhall Victor, Ford Zodiac, Citroën DS
    This reminds me we here in the US of A cannot get the mid-size Vauxhaull four-door sedan which is powered by a supercharged LS3.

    ??????????????????????????????

    Hello, GM...anyone home? Didn't think so.

    I'd even consider it in the CTS-V. Erk, I almost typed 'Catera'. No lie.

    Bad fingers...bad, bad fingers!

    Still, I want some supercharger whine. Being it's from Down Under, there should be a red, gearshift-mounted 'on/off' knob.

    Heh, heh...he said "knob"...heh, heh, heh, heh, heheheheheheh.

    Cornholio!!
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    08/10/09

    @I gotta job, I'm gonna pay the rent: You must be having a crisis.
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    08/09/09

    In reply to Vauxhall Victor, Ford Zodiac, Citroën DS
    I really like the Vauxhall. It's like a miniature tri-five chevy.
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    Image of Blue387 Blue387
    08/09/09

    In reply to Vauxhall Victor, Ford Zodiac, Citroën DS
    I like the design of the Zodiac and I remember this clip of someone in California with a left-hand drive Zodiac on YouTube.
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    Image of r0ver r0ver
    08/10/09

    @Blue387: Yup,the Mark 2 Zephyr/Zodiac.
    The one in the article is a Mark 3.
    I seem to remember that with these z-cars,starting with the Mark 1, Ford introduced the ubiquitous McPherson Strut front suspension to the world.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    08/10/09

    @r0ver: Wikipedia says it was first used on the Ford Vedette in '49, and the Zepher getting in '51. I'd thought it came in with the Mini, so what do I know.
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    08/09/09

    In reply to Vauxhall Victor, Ford Zodiac, Citroën DS

    These Vauxhall Victors were sold in the US through Pontiac dealers in the late '50s and early '60s. Unreliable, rust-prone horrors that the dealers hated. GM gave up on importing Vauxhalls by 1963 in favor of Opel. I once knew a guy who had one of the scarcely-imported 1962 second generation Victors - a wagon (see picture), which must have sold in minuscule numbers.

    I've never seen any of these Zephyrs or Zodiacs in the US. Ford at least theoretically imported most of its English range in the '60s, but I don't know whether the Zodiac was one of them. Besides, who in 1963 was going to buy a finny Ford at Galaxie or Mercury prices that wasn't much bigger than a Falcon?
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    08/09/09

    In reply to Vauxhall Victor, Ford Zodiac, Citroën DS
    This is a perfect Trifecta of old oddballs. thanks, Kim of Copenhagen.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    08/09/09

    In reply to Vauxhall Victor, Ford Zodiac, Citroën DS

    That ford Zodiac has a transplanted grill, or at least the Ford of Europe designers liked the grill on the 1961 Dodge Polara....
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    08/09/09

    @UDMan: My exact thought when I saw that beast.
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