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    Image of Mr_Sives_Remotoc Mr_Sives_Remotoc
    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    Obvious decision since electric cars are not in the plans of Fiat.
    BTW has anybody seen a Lotus Europa around? Me never. I'd like to know how many of them they are selling worldwide. #chryslerenvi
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    skierpage promoted this comment Mr_Sives_Remotoc was starred Mr_Sives_Remotoc was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @Mr_Sives_Remotoc: Actually the Chryser Group's electrification slide shows the first electric car out is a light commercial Fiat van in 2012, followed by a vague cloud of "Additional BEV Applications" in 2014.

    "Chrysler Group is lead engineering center for hybrid/electrification for Chrysler & Fiat Group" but they don't have much to do until 2013. #chryslerenvi
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    Image of Mr_Sives_Remotoc Mr_Sives_Remotoc
    11/10/09

    @skierpage: In my opinion all the recent statements about future electric cars are just for marketing purposes since current Fiat Group strategy is to bet all on hybrids. Electric cars are being developed in joint ventures with external companies, the electric light commercial van on that slide might be based on the Fiat Fiorino Elettrico, developed together with Micro-Vett which some tests surprisingly showed to have almost 600 km of authonomy but I don't believe Fiat Group is going to put any real effort on that. [www.micro-vett.it] #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    @Mr_Sives_Remotoc: current Fiat Group strategy is to bet all on hybrids

    But that slide doesn't show much hybrid activity either: Ram truck hybrid (just what Ram customers are begging for!), then a hybrid minivan for "DOE Grant PHEV Demo fleet" (i.e. tiny numbers) then another vague cloud in 2013. Maybe Chrysler Group will be providing technology for the 500 hybrid that Fiat has been talking up, but in 2008 Fiat planned only to be offering gas and diesel-electric hybrid drivetrains "by 2011". The Fiat/Chrysler bet seems to be they can soldier on with current engine technology and incremental improvements.

    TTAC also points out the vaporware feel to Fiat/Chrysler's electric plans: "Ram Brand CEO Fred Diaz sounded skeptical about the possibility of even launching a hybrid Ram, a previously confirmed decision." #chryslerenvi
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    I'll grant you that this significantly changes the stated ambition and direction of Chrysler's EV program, but it reads more like a merger of the two company's EV programs, rather than the death of the Chrysler EV program.

    "Lou Rhodes, who was in charge of ENVI, continues to oversee electrical vehicle development for both companies." #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    bummer, that was an interesting concept and could have taken the spot left open by the Sky/Solstice death. #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    @LS1RX7owen: Interesting? It was a lotus elise turned heavy and electric.
    And it would almost certainly cost more than an Elise. If you need to fill the Sky/Solsitce shaped hole in your heart, you'd be better off spending the money on an actual Elise than whatever Dodge was pretending to be planning. #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    @area_educator: but I figured the gub'ment would be giving out free money vouchers for electric sportscars soon, right right right?!?!? #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    Desperation can breed good ideas. This Circuit, with the exception of the decidedly old-school red Viper taillights, is the best looking Dodge I've seen in a long time. #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    you've got to be kidding me, wes... first i lose all that money on my pre-ordered tesla... and now on this too?? i guess it's time to move the money tree to a larger pot... see if it'll grow a bit bigger.. #chryslerenvi
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    Image of ChiefPontiaxe ChiefPontiaxe
    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    In memoriam, here's a little vid I took inside the 200C on the turntable at the 2009 DC Auto Show in January#chryslerenvi
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    Novaload promoted this comment Edited by ChiefPontiaxe at 11/10/09 10:53 AM ChiefPontiaxe was starred ChiefPontiaxe was unstarred
    Image of DieselDutchman DieselDutchman
    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    I'm reminded of a SNL skit where Will Ferrell says, "You do not talk to me like that!! I work too hard to deal with this stuff!! I work too hard!! I'm a Division Manager in charge of 49 people!! I drive a Dodge Stratus!!" #chryslerenvi
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    Someone elses chassis + someone elses powertrain + Chrysler badges = How the hell would this have been profitable? There was no innovation here. It was cobbled together with existing technology that anyone could put together (and Tesla did it already). At the time it came out I was thinking it must be something to impress Congress to get the bail-out money. Now, I'm positive. #chryslerenvi
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    Image of zacarious zacarious
    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    Company is a joke - may I make an analogy.

    Its like they are running a bakery with an easy bake oven. And the light bulb inside keeps burning out. And truth be told, even when the oven is working at its best and the bulb stays on -- whatever you bake in it is going to suck -- because its not a real oven. Its a piece of plastic shit with a dim light bulb.

    This is not a real car company. What's the last mainstream platform they developed? The K car? Half-baked cars built with very dim light bulbs. #chryslerenvi
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    Image of mdensch mdensch
    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    At the press preview in Detroit last January, where, other than the 200C, the only Chrysler concepts were ENVI models, the buzz among the journos was that Chrysler wasn't actually doing any engineering work on these cars.

    So Marchionne didn't exactly kill ENVI, he's just going to quit lying about it. #chryslerenvi
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    Novaload promoted this comment mdensch was starred mdensch was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    Well remember Chrysler had/has no car that gets better than 30 mpg highway, so with Fiat's new engines here in 2 years it should help fleet mileage as much as a low volume battery electric. There will still be a hybrid Ram 1500 next year though. #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    I guess it is fair to say Fiat wasn't green with ENVI. #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    Whats a Chrysler? #chryslerenvi
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    Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est promoted this comment Corvette_Thunder_Wheres my trophy for participating in Jalopnik? was starred Corvette_Thunder_Wheres my trophy for participating in Jalopnik? was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @Corvette_Thunder: Chrysler is the lumpenproletariat of car manufacturing. #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    That's too bad because I really thought that the Jeep EV was a great idea that might actually have a market. #chryslerenvi
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    Image of makopolo makopolo
    11/10/09

    @weatherman: I really hope you are kidding.... #chryslerenvi
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    weatherman promoted this comment makopolo was starred makopolo was unstarred
    Image of BaconSandwich and the generic grey civic of doom BaconSandwich and the generic grey civic of doom
    11/10/09

    @makopolo: Why? Lots of torque in a very quiet package? Sounds pretty good to me. #chryslerenvi
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    weatherman promoted this comment BaconSandwich and the generic grey civic of doom was starred BaconSandwich and the generic grey civic of doom was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @BaconSandwich: exactly. For some reason some folks seem to have this idea that Jeeps are all about trashing the environment and crushing bunnies underfoot. But the outdoorsy people (the ones who actually camp, hike, fish and hunt) are actually the ones who care more about the quiet enjoyment of the environment than the ones who just want to look like they offroad. Jeep could do a lot to prevent an image failure like Hummer had by embracing (or returning to) the outdoorsman market. And if they can do it with a high-torque electric that would actually be more capable offroad, all the better.
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    11/10/09

    @weatherman: Right, but while you're doing all that in your electric Jeep, where do you plug it in? A cactus? #chryslerenvi
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    Image of makopolo makopolo
    11/10/09

    @weatherman: sounds great, but where do I charge it when I go on that 400 mile trip to the wilderness? #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    @danio3834 & makopolo: if you'd read about the program, you'd know that the Jeep was a gas/electric hyrbid with a (supposed) range of 400 miles on an 8 gallon tank, which is enough to travel the entire length of the Sierra Nevada range.
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    Image of zeet zeet
    11/10/09

    @weatherman: .. and if that still isn't enough, would it really be a Jeep without a Jerry can strapped to the back? #chryslerenvi
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Chrysler Kills ENVI Electric Car Program, Shocks No One
    Good decision. Fiat knows battery technology still has a long way to go before electric cars become a high-volume, profitable enterprise.

    And frankly, they seem to have a better respect for what Jeep is than Chrysler every did. The electric Wrangler deserved to die from the moment it was conceived. #chryslerenvi
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