Buick's problem is that the exact same people who bought all the really cool Buicks of the 1960s are the ONLY people still buying them today. I don't believe they have won a single new customer in 40 years, and they're all dying.
Again... sorry, but the LaCrosse / Allure that's coming down the pipeline just isn't that attractive. It's nice, sure, but it's nowhere near nice enough to turn heads, nevermind attract attention away from a potential Lincoln / Acura / Infiniti buyer, which are pretty much all that remains of the entry-level luxury segment.
I said it before, I'll say it again. They don't need the "nice" car that is the next LaCrosse/Allure. They need a car version of the Enclave. Something that will actually make you say "wow" when you sit in it, which the Enclave's interior does.
Buick is a one-trick pony right now, that's why their traffic is so low.
@pauljones-Fresh Out of April Sarcasm: Dammit, bitch, I tole you not to give it away for free! How am I supposed to make any money if you just givin' it away?
Think of it as an image builder and a way to gain the trust of potential customers. Give them a free sample, loaded with GT-Rius, and they'll be coming back everytime.
Once you go pauljones, you'll never want any other sack of bones.
@Deartháir exists mostly to f*ck with new commenters: I just don't get how the LaCrosse referenced in the article is cool. Just because it shares some components with some other GM vehicles which may be kind of cool? I don't think it looks particularly attractive, and I don't see what about it performs better than any other comparable offerings out there.
And I don't see why the Enclave is so great either. The only remarkable thing about it is that they got Tiger Woods to shill for it.
@elwood: The only thing that's really nice about the Enclave -- well, in fairness, it is a comfortable vehicle to drive, and quite a pleasant place to spend time, but that's sort of a requirement of an entry-level luxury vehicle -- is the interior. It really is very, very nice. It's probably the nicest offering out of GM right now, and in their nice brown baseball-glove leather, it is really quite a treat.
That said, is that one nice interior enough to justify a brand? Nope, sure ain't, and that was my point above.
@pauljones-Fresh Out of April Sarcasm: You know how a lot of people said that evangelicals "blindly" re-elected Bush in 2004? Well, it's harder to pin down a specific group like that for Obama, but the "blind voting" ethic was in full force...at least from what I saw in my area. More so than any other politician in my lifetime, and I live in a very red area. Obama was our county's first democratic presidential vote since the Dixiecrat days in the 1960s.
I think people liked the idea of change and the image of a young/different president a whole lot more than the man himself. Frankly, I consider Obama's win the result more of a vote against Palin than anything else. $0.02.
Different areas, I suppose. Those in my area were very thorough in the analysis of the candidates; they had already been screwed by the times of the Bush administration, and so they scrutinized the hell out of the two candidates. The end consensus was that they would have preferred a more experienced candidate from the Democrats, but even relative inexperience was better than their perception of McCain as Bush Jr, part III.
@pauljones-Fresh Out of April Sarcasm: @aSoundofSleep: I'm in the "none of the above" camp, so I try to be objective. My skepticism comes from any sort of blind cheerleading, be it the 2000/2004 "We love Bush because he's a Christian" (ignoring everything else) and the 2008 "We love Obama because he's young/black" (again, ignoring everything else).
@mikedrawcar: In all fairness, he still won by a larger margin than the last several presidents, and more people voted for him than any other president in any one election, ever.
@aSoundofSleep: I voted for him too. I'm pretty well-informed and tend to think for myself instead of going with the group, so I'm very comfortable with my decision. I think Ash hit it spot on though; a lot of people were probably out there voting against Palin.
Think about it. He got nothing but good press ever since about 2004. No one heard anything bad about him from the networks or the papers. People had to do their own research to find out what he was actually about. Therefore, you have an electorate who sees nothing but bright shiny colors and unicorns and rainbows in the form of obama, while the same media that paints McCain & Palin as some old eccentric and a soccer mom with no experience.
As far as Palin goes, I cannot understand what is so wrong with her. What are you crazies so afraid of with her?
@baldy_pm: My take, as a right-leaning centrist libertarian, is that her selection as VP reeked of pandering by McCain's increasingly desperate image. Yes, executive experience matters, but it's a lot less valuable when it comes from a very small, very anomalous state like Alaska. Apart from that, everything about her image and presentation screamed "style over substance" (far more than for Obama, as a comparison). She seems like a fine woman and I have a great respect for her family choices and hard work on that front. But I'd not vote for her any more than I'd vote for my aunt.
About half the people in my family seem to worship her, though.
Agree with you on the media coverage. I'd like to think people are smarter than that, but hey. I'm a fan of introducing a Poll Quiz (like a Poll Tax, but legal!) to help separate the wheat from the chaff.
I can't believe that. It's basically advertising straight from the president's mouth, and no movement on the intenet to verify this or check it out? Scary.
With the Enclave, the LaCrosse coming, and a following vehicle that is even cooler than the LaCrosse, Buick will have one of the best lineups out there. Unfortunately American perception lags reality by about 15-20 years judging by most of what I read about domestics, the UAW, etc.
@rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: it sucks, but it's true. One of my teachers worked on the LaCrosse, and he's asked us if we would be able to get over the stigma and buy one- he wasn't surprised that we said no, so I think they kinda see it coming.
Their only hope is that they can slowly move the demographic age down.
@rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: The thing is though, regardless of the reliability of the car and the president's endorsement, if any American below the age of 60 actually went and bought one, they would then wake up the next morning to realize they had paid real money for a *Buick LaCrosse*. Which is kind of the whole point. There are a few brands of car favored heavily by the old, and in the US Buick is, if I'm not mistaken, the brand with the oldest average demographic. Cadillac managed to escape their older demographic only by selling in quick succession the CTS/CTS-V, which looks like a fourth-grader designed it and left the machine guns off, and the Escalade, which is so preposterous that only young people would buy it. Buick isn't going to able to change its image by making a car that's been pragmatically improved over its ancestors but still leaves people with exactly the same impression of prunes, dentures and highwater pants.
As opposed to any other dipshit that goes out, buys an Audi, and then wakes up the next morning to realize that they paid real money for a tarted-up Volkswagen?
Or perhaps the fact that BMW has changed its image of being a low-cost Euro import by building cars that are pragmatically improved from generation to generation? (current monstrosities notwithstanding)
I think to may need to reanalyze a few of your key points, here.
Appearantly you are mostly or completely unaware of the Enclave, which has moved Buick's average age downward.
The new LaCrosse is a lot more than just a "pragmatic improvement" as well. There are always going to be the insecure clowns afraid to buy a car because they are afraid it's badge says too much about them. The rest can consider the LaCrosse an awesome alternative starting at $26K. But I guess these days everyone has an extra $10G's to blow on a Japanese brand competitor, or $20K for that Eurosnob appeal.
I'd personally very much consider the LaCrosse, but even more so the next gen Buick. A co-worker of mine who's 26 has flat out claimed his next car will be the next Buick (after LaCrosse), and he has had some nicer cars/trucks.
The biggest problem I see is that GMC and Saturn came out with theirs at about the same time, so differentiation is tough (to this layman). I hope it doesn't become the next Rendezvous afterthought, because that would be a shame. It's a nice car.
@TowerOfPower: My grandmother resembles that. And she owns a 1999-era iMac with a 9600-baud modem and AOL. I think she gets online about 3 times a year, which is a major production. And then her system crashes while trying to open email attachments that are too large for her hardware.
So pretty much she just cashes in her loyalty points for buying Fresh Step kitty litter. No, I'm serious.
@rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: Yeah, she's incredibly progressive and cool. Too bad nobody in the family can help her with her computer problems, since we all have PCs.
@beercheck: Wow, you noticed that too? Another hearty-click for you! That makes, what, about eleventy billion? Man, I give out hearty clicks like the government prints money!
@beercheck: You noticed, too, eh? The market is the best barometer regarding his programs and plans... And it's down something like 30% since he was elected. Nah, must be a coincidence.
@Rock517...now mostly lurking: I would peg the market as a barometer for peoples insecurities with their financial handling more than anything. Also I think the biggest drops happened previous to Obama but I guess that doesn't count.
@Unregular: No idea what you're talking about, but if this happens one more time (making it, I think, a 5-0 record?), I'm going to start playing it with shorts and precious metals. If I wasn't so damned cautious, I'd already be up thousands. Damnit.
@Neener: You're not wrong. But, by the same token as your point, you have to say that if he said anything to assuage people's insecurities with their financial handling, the market would respond less negatively.
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Of course, since I don't expect them to offer another full-sized RWD wagon ever again, all bets are off for any future purchases.
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But yeah, you're completely right: they offer nothing really good anymore.
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I said it before, I'll say it again. They don't need the "nice" car that is the next LaCrosse/Allure. They need a car version of the Enclave. Something that will actually make you say "wow" when you sit in it, which the Enclave's interior does.
Buick is a one-trick pony right now, that's why their traffic is so low.
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Hey, at least they can still get people to pay them for that trick.
I'm down to giving tricks away.
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Think of it as an image builder and a way to gain the trust of potential customers. Give them a free sample, loaded with GT-Rius, and they'll be coming back everytime.
Once you go pauljones, you'll never want any other sack of bones.
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And I don't see why the Enclave is so great either. The only remarkable thing about it is that they got Tiger Woods to shill for it.
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And, by that definition, there is not a damn thing cool about any car that doesn't share a platform with another car.
Maybe you need a little pauljones lovin' to get the idea. It's on the house today, and it even comes with a free case of GT-Rius.
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That said, is that one nice interior enough to justify a brand? Nope, sure ain't, and that was my point above.
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What I find amusing, though, is the claim that so many people hate Obama and hate his ideas. It's almost as if he voted himself into office.
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I think people liked the idea of change and the image of a young/different president a whole lot more than the man himself. Frankly, I consider Obama's win the result more of a vote against Palin than anything else. $0.02.
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Different areas, I suppose. Those in my area were very thorough in the analysis of the candidates; they had already been screwed by the times of the Bush administration, and so they scrutinized the hell out of the two candidates. The end consensus was that they would have preferred a more experienced candidate from the Democrats, but even relative inexperience was better than their perception of McCain as Bush Jr, part III.
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Ash, you are dead wrong on the last part.
Think about it. He got nothing but good press ever since about 2004. No one heard anything bad about him from the networks or the papers. People had to do their own research to find out what he was actually about. Therefore, you have an electorate who sees nothing but bright shiny colors and unicorns and rainbows in the form of obama, while the same media that paints McCain & Palin as some old eccentric and a soccer mom with no experience.
As far as Palin goes, I cannot understand what is so wrong with her. What are you crazies so afraid of with her?
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About half the people in my family seem to worship her, though.
Agree with you on the media coverage. I'd like to think people are smarter than that, but hey. I'm a fan of introducing a Poll Quiz (like a Poll Tax, but legal!) to help separate the wheat from the chaff.
Weighted voting, perhaps? ;)
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With the Enclave, the LaCrosse coming, and a following vehicle that is even cooler than the LaCrosse, Buick will have one of the best lineups out there. Unfortunately American perception lags reality by about 15-20 years judging by most of what I read about domestics, the UAW, etc.
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Their only hope is that they can slowly move the demographic age down.
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/rant off
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As opposed to any other dipshit that goes out, buys an Audi, and then wakes up the next morning to realize that they paid real money for a tarted-up Volkswagen?
Or perhaps the fact that BMW has changed its image of being a low-cost Euro import by building cars that are pragmatically improved from generation to generation? (current monstrosities notwithstanding)
I think to may need to reanalyze a few of your key points, here.
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Appearantly you are mostly or completely unaware of the Enclave, which has moved Buick's average age downward.
The new LaCrosse is a lot more than just a "pragmatic improvement" as well. There are always going to be the insecure clowns afraid to buy a car because they are afraid it's badge says too much about them. The rest can consider the LaCrosse an awesome alternative starting at $26K. But I guess these days everyone has an extra $10G's to blow on a Japanese brand competitor, or $20K for that Eurosnob appeal.
I'd personally very much consider the LaCrosse, but even more so the next gen Buick. A co-worker of mine who's 26 has flat out claimed his next car will be the next Buick (after LaCrosse), and he has had some nicer cars/trucks.
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The biggest problem I see is that GMC and Saturn came out with theirs at about the same time, so differentiation is tough (to this layman). I hope it doesn't become the next Rendezvous afterthought, because that would be a shame. It's a nice car.
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So pretty much she just cashes in her loyalty points for buying Fresh Step kitty litter. No, I'm serious.
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Appearantly she's hipper than I, as she has a Mac.
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marketing ftl.
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All new Chrysler FWD vehicles qualify for BOTH the "new car tax credit" AND the "Cash for Clunkers" programs.
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I hate politicians. We need term limits. 6 years in office, then its off with their heads!
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OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
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/scratches head, wonders how he hadn't done that before...
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March 24th: "US stock markets surged more than 3 percent after Geithner's announcement."
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Focus, Gwosshoppah.
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