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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    06:24 PM

    In reply to Hyundai Not Big In Japan, Pulling Out Of Country
    The Japanese have never been very fond of foreign cars. Perhaps Hyundai should have taken a cue from Chevrolet:
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    Edited by If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face at 11/30/09 6:29 PM If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was starred If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was unstarred
    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    06:30 PM

    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face:
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    05:02 PM

    In reply to Hyundai Not Big In Japan, Pulling Out Of Country
    Incidentally, this Optimus Prime transforms into a Dodge Ram SRT-10
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    04:53 PM

    In reply to Hyundai Not Big In Japan, Pulling Out Of Country
    Ford Japan FTW!
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    Image of Jes St.Lawrence Jes St.Lawrence
    04:31 PM

    In reply to Hyundai Not Big In Japan, Pulling Out Of Country
    Aren't Toyotas still made by Hyundai-made robots?
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    11/26/09

    In reply to Five Best And Worst Black Friday New Car Deals
    I've noticed that Chinese motorcycles are probably the most expensive motorcycle purchase you can possibly make. You buy in low, but parts cost quickly mount.

    Better to buy a battered old Virago. It'll run longer and you won't be in such a hot hurry to move up to a bigger bike.

    Also: Kudos to Bumbeck devising a way to safely drop the turkey into the grease. My way is to get my brother in law to do it.

    Also: Knoxville TN cops are screening crazy hard - go five miles over the limit and you'll get flagged. I don't think there'd be more cops on the roads if they thought we were being invade by the Taliban.

    Also in Knoxville: Jim Cogdill Dodge is trying to sell brand new, never sold, 2008 Dodge and Chrysler products at $13,000. Still got the whole warranty, it's still a brand-new car at a used car price. It might be a better deal, assuming Chrysler's still around in five years for parts support.
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    Image of Blix Blix
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    A former 9-5 owner, I've been intrigued by the 2010 9-5, which has definitely been a long time coming. Such a pity that the company has come so close to releasing a car that it desperately needs - a car that could turn Saab around reputation-wise and financially - and to have this deal fall apart. On my birthday the Koenigsegg deal was announced and I couldn't have heard anything nicer to brighten that day. But it was a huge gamble for Koenigsegg so I'm not all that surprised it was just wishful thinking in the end. But I'm still disappointed. I truly support Saab and I hope the company can find someone less fickle to save it and the innumerable jobs in Sweden and the US that are rooted in the company.
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    DoctorNine promoted this comment Blix was starred Blix was unstarred
    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/25/09

    @Blix: Yeah, the AWD and six speed manual were quite attractive in that package. I'll bet GM did this on purpose, so that it wouldn't compete with the similar Buick package that they are looking to bring to North America from Opel. That, or tech licensing for production was far too steep, and the engineers at Koenigsegg nixed it.

    Really a shame. I might buy one of the 9-5's if they ever come out...
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    Image of sos10 sos10
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    To think that KEgg only now realized Saab is a worthless brand is naif.
    I continue to think that the deal wasn't really going to happen, I also think that KEgg will close doors really soon.
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    Image of dragon:ONE dragon:ONE
    11/24/09

    In reply to Five Best And Worst Black Friday New Car Deals
    I need some help understanding why the hell people buy those cheap, janky, Chinese motorcycles and scooters.

    I'd rather spend $3-4000 on a Vespa than $2200 on a Chinese scooter.
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    Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est promoted this comment dragon:ONE was starred dragon:ONE was unstarred
    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/25/09

    @dragon:ONE: And you'll notice that of all of the local Chinese delivery restaurants (here in the NYC at least), not a single one uses anything "off-label".
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    11/26/09

    @Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est: They know better already.
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    Image of fhull001 fhull001
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    The heart of SAAB died when they switched over to Ford sourced V4's. Soon after that they killed the 96 and the Sonnet and it was all over. GM bought a corpse and kept it on life support too long.
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    Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est promoted this comment fhull001 was starred fhull001 was unstarred
    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/25/09

    @fhull001: Word. Four-stroke=death

    It's not a coincidence that the word for "four" is close to that for "death" in Chinese.
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/25/09

    @fhull001: This heart-of-SAAB of which you speak was a warmed-over DKW particulate generator more appropriate for GDR politics than smooth Swedish socialism. Awesome, but only in retrospect.

    The SAAB that will be missed was powered by a Triumph turd that was miraculously transformed into something durable and turbocharged.
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Before everyone gets too sloshed from crying into their beer, let's keep one thing in mind - Saab was a dead brand walking when GM took it over in 1990. At that time, the 900 was based on a 22-year old platform and body. The 9000 was a failed experiment in moving upmarket. Sales had fallen through the floor and red ink was flowing everywhere. Maybe GM could have done better during their ownership, but the new 900 for 1994 and the 9-5 seemed like reasonable efforts. Not enough buyers cared by then. It's been panic actions ever since. Saab is a brand whose time has run out, and it looks like Volvo is headed for the same fate.
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    Edited by tonyola at 11/24/09 2:23 PM tonyola was starred tonyola was unstarred
    Image of stephdumas stephdumas
    11/24/09

    @tonyola: I checked here and there some old rumors from 2005 who mentionned than Renault eyed Volvo or Saab [jalopnik.com]
    [jalopnik.com]
    [jalopnik.com]
    Doubtful then Renault is still interested to get Saab but who knows?
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    tonyola promoted this comment stephdumas was starred stephdumas was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    11/24/09

    @stephdumas: There had been rumors of a Renault-Volvo merger in the late 1970s, and a Saab-Volvo merger had actually been officially proposed in 1979. Apparently Saab shareholders killed that idea.
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    Image of longdx longdx
    11/24/09

    @tonyola: This is perhaps the best truism about Saab. I had a 1992 9000CS. I loved it. It was bulletproof, comfortable, and an enjoyable car. However,I bought it used at a ridiculously low price. That was and is the main problem with new Saab sales. These cars could never justify their inflated MSRP and their residual values reflect it. Why but a new Saab , when you can buy a slighlty used one for a fraction of the cost. It is not the same with BMW/Mercedes/Lexus?Infinity buyers as their respective vehicles still command decent trade values. Factor the meddling by GM into the design of Saabs from the mid-90's forward ,Saab could really never compete directly with other luxury brands on their merit alone.
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    tonyola promoted this comment longdx was starred longdx was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    11/24/09

    @longdx: You make a good point in that despite all of Saab's efforts, it was never able to convince many people that it was a true luxury brand that could compete with the Germans, Lexus, and Infiniti. Saab was not satisfied with making fun, quirky, and moderately priced cars like in the '60s and '70s. Beginning with the '79 900, they kept trying to move upmarket into more profitable territory. It worked for a little while, but as the 99/900 platform aged and the 9000 sat in showrooms unbought, it was clear that people weren't going along with the game. By 1990, things had become hopeless and Saab was desperately looking for a savior - GM, in this case.
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    Image of TriShield TriShield
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    There would have been nothing awesome about KoenigSaab, had this deal gone through Saab would have completely destroyed Koeniggsegg.

    Saab has been a total zombie brand for 15 years or more now. Before GM ever purchased it, why they did or thought they could resurrect it was beyond me.

    Saab drained GM of billions of dollars and with all that investment it remains a zombie. A brand that people only care about online but not in the real world. Nobody the world over buys Saabs in any meaningful quantity, which is why it's bankrupt. It has zero volume and very little if any appeal.

    There's nothing Koenigsegg could have done to fix that and they had no resources at all to even attempt it. Like Penske they did the smart thing and backed out while they could. This brand is dead, let it die peacefully already.
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    Tanshanomi promoted this comment TriShield was starred TriShield was unstarred
    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Saab for sale
    Appetizing Swedish Saab for sale
    Saab thats fresh and still unspoiled
    Saab thats only slightly soiled
    Saab for sale

    Who will buy
    Who would like to sample their supply
    Who's prepared to pay the fee
    For a center console key?
    Saab for sale

    Let the Hoons all rally Saabs
    In their Hoonish ways
    I know every type of Saab
    Better far than they
    If you want the thrill of Saab
    I've been through the mill of Saab
    Old Saab
    New Saab
    Every Saab but true Saab
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    Image of wkiernan wkiernan
    11/24/09

    @Tanshanomi: so good, APPLAUSE
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    Image of LuciferV8 LuciferV8
    11/25/09

    @Tanshanomi: Another piece of quality work.
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/24/09

    In reply to Five Best And Worst Black Friday New Car Deals
    I need a little help with understanding the AWD Dodge problem. Why is it less desirable? Poorer fuel economy? Fewer engine choices? For a family looking for a affordable big sedan that is good in the snow, this might be appealing.
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    Image of yachius yachius
    11/24/09

    @YankBoffin: It gets poorer fuel economy and doesn't corner as well but most importantly, there are much better AWD cars for the price. Most people looking at the Charger in the first place want a RWD muscle car. People looking for an AWD family sedan don't immediately think of a Charger.
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    YankBoffin promoted this comment Edited by yachius at 11/24/09 2:25 PM yachius was starred yachius was unstarred
    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/24/09

    @yachius: Just checked the website, [www.dodge.com] and looking at the prices Sam quotes, the deal would be to get an AWD SXT for the price of the stripper SE base model. So, that doesn't just get you AWD, you as get the bigger V6, 5-spd auto, TC, ESP, "performance brakes", and more. Nobody wants the wimpy underpowered base model, even if it does have more mpg.
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    Image of yachius yachius
    11/24/09

    @YankBoffin: I didn't look at the deal but what you've quoted is correct then it sounds like Dodge is trying very hard to move an unpopular model that is sitting on their lots. There aren't many other reasons to lower the price of a premium model so drastically.
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    Image of joelja joelja
    11/24/09

    @YankBoffin: cough,cough subaru...
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    YankBoffin promoted this comment joelja was starred joelja was unstarred
    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    11/26/09

    @YankBoffin: When I'm thinking AWD, Dodge isn't the first thing that jumps to mind. "Affordable big sedan that is good in the snow" just screams Legacy to me.
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/27/09

    @Elhigh: Maybe they aren't the first, but they're making an effort and I commend that. I was thinking a Legacy was a price step up from the charger. However, a visit to subaru.com tells me otherwise (starting at $19,995!).

    For reference, I drive a older wrx.
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    Image of Deckard Deckard
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    I think that we could sit here and wax poetic over how poorly GM has manged this whole affair, or how fantastic a Koenigsaab would have been (and how we would totally have bought one. No, two, one sedan, one wagon...) but I think the biggest problem here is that the use of the Swedish Chef wasn't accompanied by a clever headline. I would have settled for "Saab Sale to Koenigsegg Bork Bork Borked"...
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    zacarious promoted this comment Edited by Deckard at 11/24/09 12:48 PM Deckard was starred Deckard was unstarred
    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Aw, shucks. Here's the scorecard:

    Pontiac: dead
    Saturn Deal: off
    Opel Deal: off
    Saab Deal: off
    HUMMER Deal: 不知道.
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