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Elhigh
11/26/09

In reply to Five Best And Worst Black Friday New Car Deals
I've noticed that Chinese motorcycles are probably the most expensive motorcycle purchase you can possibly make. You buy in low, but parts cost quickly mount.

Better to buy a battered old Virago. It'll run longer and you won't be in such a hot hurry to move up to a bigger bike.

Also: Kudos to Bumbeck devising a way to safely drop the turkey into the grease. My way is to get my brother in law to do it.

Also: Knoxville TN cops are screening crazy hard - go five miles over the limit and you'll get flagged. I don't think there'd be more cops on the roads if they thought we were being invade by the Taliban.

Also in Knoxville: Jim Cogdill Dodge is trying to sell brand new, never sold, 2008 Dodge and Chrysler products at $13,000. Still got the whole warranty, it's still a brand-new car at a used car price. It might be a better deal, assuming Chrysler's still around in five years for parts support.
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YankBoffin
11/24/09

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I need a little help with understanding the AWD Dodge problem. Why is it less desirable? Poorer fuel economy? Fewer engine choices? For a family looking for a affordable big sedan that is good in the snow, this might be appealing.
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yachius
11/24/09

@YankBoffin: It gets poorer fuel economy and doesn't corner as well but most importantly, there are much better AWD cars for the price. Most people looking at the Charger in the first place want a RWD muscle car. People looking for an AWD family sedan don't immediately think of a Charger.
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YankBoffin
11/24/09

@yachius: Just checked the website, [www.dodge.com] and looking at the prices Sam quotes, the deal would be to get an AWD SXT for the price of the stripper SE base model. So, that doesn't just get you AWD, you as get the bigger V6, 5-spd auto, TC, ESP, "performance brakes", and more. Nobody wants the wimpy underpowered base model, even if it does have more mpg.
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yachius
11/24/09

@YankBoffin: I didn't look at the deal but what you've quoted is correct then it sounds like Dodge is trying very hard to move an unpopular model that is sitting on their lots. There aren't many other reasons to lower the price of a premium model so drastically.
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Elhigh
11/26/09

@YankBoffin: When I'm thinking AWD, Dodge isn't the first thing that jumps to mind. "Affordable big sedan that is good in the snow" just screams Legacy to me.
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Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
11/24/09

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They all seem like pretty good deals. Especially the Ford offer: cars people want from a US manufacturer that's not bankrupt.
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zerofritz
11/24/09

@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: i have never known zero percent financing to actually be a bad thing, relative to, you know, paying for financing.
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Alfisted
11/24/09

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Subaru does build cars I want (and even bought) ... it's the image and segmentation I could do without. I am not a lefty, lesbian, tree hugger or whirled peaser by any stretch. I just want a reasonably reliable, fast, AWD wagon.
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Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls
11/24/09

@Alfisted: We may be on different sides of the political spectrum, but we can agree on a nice sportwagon. There's some consensus-building!

Problem is, I don't want any of Subaru's current-gen models under my tree. Blech.
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Alfisted
11/24/09

@Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls: I'm not so put off by the current Impreza, but it is a travesty what they've done with everything else.

#tips
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abgwin
11/24/09

@Alfisted: it's fairly sad that you would be more concerned with what your friends and neighbors think about the car you drive than driving the car you think you want to drive.

I mean, seriously, if you're concerned they'll confuse you for a tree-hugging lesbian, you've got more problems than just choosing a car can solve (or create).
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Alfisted
11/24/09

@abgwin: Easy big fella. I bought the car.

#tips
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Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls
11/24/09

@Alfisted: Who cares what people think of your car. Besides, lesbians have a very important preference in common with me.
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Alfisted
11/24/09

@Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls: It's not what others think of my car. It's that I think Subaru could more successfully attain their objectives (the Legacy GT was intended to rival the 3-series and A4) if they would ease up on running promotions and advertising that play to a stereotype.

#tips
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Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls
11/24/09

@Alfisted: My question was purely rhetorical, not directed at anyone in particular, just kinda "who cares?".

I'd wager that Subaru is giving in to the natural inclinations of a large part of their buyers. In other words, the preferences of their buyers are driving their marketing, not the other way around. When my 2005 GT wagon was introduced, they had Lance Armstrong in the commercials touting the performance ("quicker than a Porsche Boxter"). But that clearly didn't shift the perception of the brand away from AWD+safety+practicality.
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abgwin
11/24/09

@Alfisted: I would hazard a guess that their marketing budget is seperate from their R&D budget, and whether or not they target niche markets has little or nothing to do with whether or not the boys and girls in product direction think they should shoot for BMW territory.

And in any event, Subaru has been steadily gaining market share and one of the only brands increasing sales over previous years, so something is working - prob in both marketing AND development.

Now relax and buy a flannel shirt and some Birkenstocks.
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Alfisted
11/24/09

@abgwin: Dang, I already have several flannels and a pair of Birkenstocks, along with a Subie wagon. Maybe I'm not who I think I am.
#tips
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TRAMS_AM
11/24/09

@Alfisted: You own an Asian Volvo. Maybe get a louder BOV?
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Alfisted
11/24/09

@TRAMS_AM: Only if it's a duck call.

#tips
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Tanshanomi
11/24/09

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Good Deal #6
What: Keeping my '92 Town Car
Where: My driveway
Regular Price: Gift from my elderly mother-in-law.
Black Friday Price: The cost of fixing the electric windows and recharging the A/C whenever I have the cash and get around to it—probably next spring with my tax refund.
Why It's A Good Deal: Zero down, zero interest, zero monthly payments, zero for comprehensive insurance, forever.
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LuciferV8
11/24/09

@Tanshanomi: Ahhh, the never-ending advantages in avoiding the stealership...
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Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
11/24/09

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Regarding the AWD Charger: more is more, and therefore better; the word 'upgrade' improves anything.
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Tanshanomi
11/24/09

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building cars people want?
What kind of a crazy business model is that?
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Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm
11/24/09

@Tanshanomi: Where'd that star come from?
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Tanshanomi
11/24/09

@Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm: Ray decided I'd learned my lesson. I'm no longer grounded.
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drewdrawshashtags
11/24/09

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I don't need convincing that I want a BMW diesel, I've been begging for them for years.

I need convincing that I should spend $40,000+ in a recession on anything.
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Straight6er
11/24/09

@drewdrawshashtags: The fastest way out of a recession would be to get everyone spending again. People panic about it in the beginning and hoard their money. This only makes it worse than it would have been originally
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drewdrawshashtags
11/24/09

@Straight6er: Great in theory, but overspending on a car because it's a "good deal" is a big part of what got us here in the first place.

I, and most Americans, don't have the cash to buy a $40K car, they borrow to the hilt for it. Then you lose your job or house value goes down and you've got nothing but debt and cool shit you have to sell off.

I'll keep looking at 2 year-old off-lease 3 Series for $25K, thanks.
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Straight6er
11/25/09

@drewdrawshashtags: This is very true. I hadn't really thought about the borrowing aspect, i was more in line with skulldriveshaft's thinking: spend it if you got it.

Also i like your choice of vehicle, depreciation can sure be handy :P

#tips
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drewdrawshashtags
11/25/09

@Straight6er: Ain't depreciation grand?
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that ain't the way to have fun, son
11/24/09

In reply to Five Best And Worst Black Friday New Car Deals
Any vehicle sold by Wal-Mart.

Never mind. #8 fills that slot, nicely.
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mr_dude
11/24/09

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You forgot the best deal of all: staying at home eating leftover turkey and watching Bond marathons.
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Rust-MyEnemy
11/24/09

@mr_dude: Truly something to give thanks for!
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SlowMo (actually, there's no E on my R)
11/24/09

@mr_dude: or for another brand of ass-kicking, Ion is having a "FEastwood" marathon; a whole slew of Clint Eastwood movies. Holiday couch-surfing bonus QOTD: Who would win, Dirty Harry or the various generations of Bond?
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mr_dude
11/24/09

@SlowMo (actually, there's no E on my R): Ditka.
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fuchikoma
09/02/09

In reply to Hyundai August Sales Up 47%
Wow!
I can see why though - I just bought a GenCoupe 2.0T GT and it's fantastic. Everyone I've shown it to so far loves it. It's obvious they're really trying to get it right and make a good impression, just laying on the features too.

Rhys Millen set a new record for 2WD time attack at Pikes Peak with a race-modded GenCoupe too, so it also looks promising in motorsport so far.
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Deartháir II
09/01/09

In reply to GM August sales down 20.2%
So how come a 15% decline for Chrysler is "Craptacular" and "Horrible", but a 20.2% decline for GM escapes with no adjectives whatsoever?

Could it be because Chrysler doesn't make the Camaro? C'mon, Wert, you can tell us, we'll keep it a secret.
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sos10
09/01/09

@Deartháir II: The Return: It is simple... Anything related to Chrysler is/was crap, Anything related to GM "could be worse".
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TimTim
09/01/09

In reply to Hyundai August Sales Up 47%
Shocked, just shocked. It's almost as if they make small, inexpensive, fuel efficient cars and the government was handing out thousands of dollars in cash incentives to folks wishing to reduce their fuel consumption.

Kidding aside, Hyundai has really impressed lately. That number is enormous compared to the other figures coming out today, but not entirely surprising based on CARS and their recent push for quality improvements.
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FTGDWolverineEdition'09
09/01/09

In reply to GM August sales down 20.2%
Do these pundits EVER get their stuff right? I mean seriously? They seem to be worse than your local weatherman.
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Flathead Smith
09/01/09

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I guess folks like cheap high quality cars, who knew.
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FTGDWolverineEdition'09
09/01/09

@Flathead Smith: And especially if they haven't been beaten to death with the fugly stick.
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