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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    The 10 best list from the world's No. 1 irrelevant automotive enthusiast publication.
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    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    I would be happy to own/drive 7 out of those 10, good list. It's interesting that they only included the S4 (not S4/A4), but grouped the M3 in with the 3 series. I'm not arguing, just saying ;)
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    @Turboner: They explain their reasoning in the article.
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    12/03/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Maybe, but I quit reading them a couple of years ago. R&T, too. Car Craft, er Camaro Craft, long before that.
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    Image of 1300ccsoffury 1300ccsoffury
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    Oh those Mazdas just look so happy to be included on that list!
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    I love the Corvette and believe it should ideally be on the 10Best List every year, but it is getting pricier, and the interior of the upcoming Spark is of higher quality, which is pathetic.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    I got this issue last week, and I barely leafed through it before putting it down to rub my eyes. I'm not normally that concerned with magazine aesthetics, but the layout has gotten so fussy and illegible that it just flat sucks to read. And I don't know what look they were going for, but what they've produced is something between special advertising section and quirky housewares catalog.

    And how did they manage to bring back Davis and O'Rourke and still lower the quality of the writing? Instead of the occasional awkward use of a pop culture reference, they now seem to be consciously trying to quilt together as many as possible as some kind of style experiment. I DON'T CARE WHAT A MIDDLE AGED AUTO JOURNALIST THINKS ABOUT PARIS HILTON.
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    Image of Steve_in_NC Steve_in_NC
    12/02/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: I have decided $8.00 per year was too much to pay for car and driver and canceled a 15 yr subsricption run this summer.
    Your dead on with the decay of real wit in the mag. It began to hurt my head to read it. Coveting john phillips was the straw for me.
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    12/02/09

    @Steve_in_NC: It's 22 years for me, and I'm going to see if they get things evened out. I really was excited to see Davis and O'Rourke back, but they're clearly not going to be providing the bulk of the content. I hope to see some good, young writers there soon.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Car And Driver "10 Best" List Includes Second American Car
    No Toyotas. A GM product, a FoMoCo product, no Toyotas. My, my.

    Even with its leg in the trap, GM manages to poop out a car or two that blacks the eye and bloodies the nose of the mighty MB SL63. And I'm looking forward to next year when we may see, instead of a Fit, a Fiesta. That should be fun.
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    Image of Quattro-luvr Quattro-luvr
    12/02/09

    @Elhigh: I'm sure Toyotas CEO will blame America for causing their cars to not be good enough to appear in the list.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/02/09

    @Quattro-luvr: The blame game is the shame game. The simple answer: build great cars. Not necessarily fantastically powerful cars, or quick, or flashy - most people want something that starts every morning, and arrives back in the evening with every part still screwed on. Power and flash are big draws too, though. GM has wrung out of their sclerotic arteries a few drops of real lifeblood, the CTS and -V; the Cobalt is not embarrassing; the Cruze looks to be the next Corolla. If it can keep treading water - or red-hot lava in this case, GM has a shot at recapturing the King of the World crown.

    Assuming they can wrench it away from Ford, who appear to be adjusting the strap to fit their own heads at the moment. Never mind they're trying to fit themselves in there with VW. VW's corporate structure is, in a word, bizarre. VW may be the Emperor Joker but anything can happen. If VW tries to buy itself again and the deal falls through, does that mean they dissolve themselves in a fit of pique?
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/02/09

    @Elhigh: I dunno. While buying/selling yourself in public makes a mess, and is something which would make your mother blush, it's still better than GM's self-maiming habit of amputating all its fingers, on the theory that that will make it stronger...
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/02/09

    @DoctorNine: It's just a flesh wound! Come back here!
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    08/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    They will sell a few in the US
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    Can you get it with the piano black trim instead of wood?

    The only appropriate place for wood on a wagon is the side panels.
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    Image of aniteshj aniteshj
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    Throw in a few turbos on that 6, hell a few turbos on a possible v8 version
    and we just might have one expensive, but very good hot hatch. Very hot.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    08/17/09

    @aniteshj: Sounds doable.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    08/18/09

    @aniteshj: "..Throw in a few turbos on that 6, hell a few turbos on a possible v8 version and we just might have one expensive, but very good hot hatch. Very hot..."

    Since apparently the weirdness in the commenting won't let me promote, I'll just copy it in there...
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    08/18/09

    @DoctorNine's D9 Cat:
    Open note to GMN techies: For some reason on Sunday, and early Monday, when I pressed the approve button for unapproved comments, I was giving out stars. Someone eventually fixed that (thank you), but now I can't even approve comments, only promote them. Star functionality is making it hard to have a conversation in here. Please fix? KTHXBAI!!!
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    Image of AldaDana? AldaDana?
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    On my '08 CTS, for some odd reason, there is no backlight for the gearshift (auto). Does anyone know if this has been remedied yet?
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    08/17/09

    @AldaDana?: Nope.
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    Image of UglyDuckCar UglyDuckCar
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    Reminds me of the time when my dad bought his magnum. He was the second person in town to get one, and we got it at dealer price, of course it helps when the dealership owner is one of your best friends. Practical, quick enough, and has a sound that makes you smile a bit. And of course, it was mean lookin. The car at the time was a celebrity, wherever we went people asked us about it. When I think of this very sexy cts sports wagon, I cannot help but reflect on some of those groovy times in that car in its earlier days. I'd buy this but alas, $40k is about as out of reach to a guy who can barely afford a price reduced caliber as shaq holding candy over a malnourished 4 year old kid.
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    Image of grzydj grzydj
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    Americans have always loved wagons, we just need them to be branded or marketed as something other than wagons. Hence the SUV, CUV, SAV or whatever.

    I like the CTS sport wagon, but not V6 engines or automatic transmissions.

    And no, GM bean counters never listen, especially when they've got the government writing their checks.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    I just squared off the giant D-pillar in Paint.

    Best. Hearse. Ever.*

    *where "ever" = "post-1973"
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    08/17/09


    @FP - Funny how it seems quiet around here, eh?: It'd make a bitchin' panel van. But there is only one best hearse.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    08/17/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I want this. Bad. End of.
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    Image of alexander_the_car_salamander alexander_the_car_salamander
    08/17/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: Holy crap! I now know what U want to go to my own funeral in! Hopefully I die soon so I can finally take a ride in a Jaguar E-type.
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    Image of peakay peakay
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive

    ...and the inevitable all wheel drive model.
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    Image of Proscriptus Proscriptus
    08/17/09

    @peakay: There, um, are AWD models, the 6DG35 (3.0) and 6DH35 (3.6).
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    08/17/09

    In reply to 2010 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: First Drive
    Hold on, now... if those blind spots are no worse than the sedan, the rear half of the sedan must have been fashioned from a concrete bunker?
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