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Detroit, 4:18 AM
Fri Nov 27
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04/21/09
Now about the car, everybody made rip off wheels ever since somebody made them round. What I can say about this all is that the chinese definitly are coming.
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I'd go with "The KKK Took My Star Away", myself.
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This auto show is that game's showroom.
04/21/09
Anyone have TXR2 for Dreamcast? I need it, badly.
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Turns out you can just download ROMs, burn them to a CD and stick 'em in your Dreamcast no questions asked.
Anyway, despite being a very boring, bland monotonous game on the face of it, I love it: it's so addictive.
But I can't stand how there are a bazillion awesome cars being unlocked, but I can't afford anything but my generic 1989 RX-7 ripoff.
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You know how you can tell I was absolutely and completely hooked on that game, the first one? I have the Porsche 930. Yeah.
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So to speak.
04/21/09
Oh no, now I've done it.
The two Asian brothers from "Better Off Dead" are sitting outside of my office.
They said they want to talk to me, something about not making fun of Chinese cars.
I can't understand them, they sound just like Howard Cosell.
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Oh wow, you win this thread.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think they're just trying to mock us. This is like a dog and pony show for them.
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It would be a lawsuit nightmare if it happened in this country.
Who knows maybe it is the Chairman's plot to reduce the population in China.
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Laughing at the INFERIOR Chinese build quality joke.
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Probably a Chinese spy, or someone from Gizmodo.
Whatever the case, I don't like the matter of fact manner in which he/she approaches the Jalopnik commentariat.
And to Analyst, all Chinese cars have horrible crash test ratings and look like they camoe out of Calvin's Transmogrifier machine. No joke.
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> And to Analyst, all Chinese cars have horrible crash test ratings and look like they camoe out of Calvin's Transmogrifier machine. No joke.
That comment comes from 2 old crash tests made by ADAC on 1st generation cars, made by third tier Chinese automakers. If you pick ANY car from the 90s (and before) it will perform just as bad.
As for the first part, I try really hard to be as smooth as I can, but there is so much unwarranted hate and flaming on the Chinese auto industry that it's hard not to respond in another fashion. I'm working on this.
04/21/09
Even this Cavalier, while it does poorly, is still better:
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Oh, quit razzing on the guy.
We may view his level of oddity to be on par with Ford Tempo lovers, but even so, you have to admit, that is what makes him such a good example of a Jalop. I can't think of a single instance where I have agreed, but he is respectful and has balls of steel for taking that fight against the lot of us single-handedly.
I would also like to emphasize again that he is respectful.
There is, a Gizmodo lurker that chimes in on the same subject that is a bit of a prick, however, so that was a fairly insightful comment.
Also, Cannoli, +1000000000000000 for the Calvin and Hobbes reference.
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I do think it's a bit strange that he doesn't post anything other than defenses of Chinese vehicles, though. Hey Analyst, what else do you like? What brought you to Jalopnik in the first place?
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Maybe we have been too hard on him. Maybe.
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There's ranks within ranks. I won't argue where Chinese automakers are in a global stage, but I'm saying that those were third tier within China.
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That might be true in some cases, but that's a (somewhat) erroneous generalization. It's that bad apples thing, you know. They get all the publicity here.
04/22/09
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that almost all Chinese autos are unoriginal in design. I'll go even further and say that the vast majority of designs are unoriginal.
I also will venture to say that the vast majority would disintegrate in the sum of their unoriginal pieces if someone were to even look at them the wrong way.
I shudder when I think of the damage an errant shopping cart at the local grocery store would do if it hit one.
04/22/09
I don't think a post aimed solely causing me to flame back at an ignorant and bigoted perception deserves a proper response.
If you truly think that; and that all other cars are "original," I'll just shrug. Some people just can't have an open mind.
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I do have an open mind, but you apparently don't. Reality should have hit you squarely in the face, but you've managed to dodge it. LOOK AT THEIR DESIGNS! They clearly copy popular cars from other countries.
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I am not saying that they aren't copies nor I am dodging reality. But you need to realize that there are over 100 automakers in China, and the top 10 have 90% market share. These have a (mostly) clean record when it comes to designs; and even if you look at those who have a tarnished reputation, ie: Chery with the QQ/Matiz and Geely with the RR knockoff, the vast majority of their lineup and the cars they showed in Shanghai, they're original. Also let me remind you that the RR knockoff is just a concept, which will probably never see production (or at least not with this design).
So basically what I am saying is you can't label the whole Chinese auto industry as a knockoff maker just because of a couple of (unfortunate) incidents that get a whole lot more publicity than original designs. Even on these, some people will insist on nitpicking similarities with existing cars (ie: "mashup").
Like that Geely truck, I counted: people "saw" at least 13 different cars in that concept. Yeah, like you can come up with something 100% original after 100 years of cars and don't make it look like an abortion. If people treated all cars like they see Chinese cars, it would extremely easy to label any car a "mashup." That being said, I'll consider a design "original" whenever it borrows no more than your average automaker.
This one doesn't fall under the "original" category, but most of the cars in Shanghai do.
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The only way this thing could be more of a rip-off is if BYD stole them from a parts truck in Stuttgart.
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(By the way, this is not a defence of the BYD, just a thought).
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