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    Image of ragtopdodge ragtopdodge
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    If a loaded one comes under $25k MSRP, they have a winner.

    The bailout is working folks, no matter how much the right-wingers care not to admit.
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    Image of B3ND3R B3ND3R
    11/20/09

    @ragtopdodge: Uh, yeah, it will likely base closer to $30K.
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    Brian promoted this comment Edited by B3ND3R at 11/20/09 6:56 PM B3ND3R was starred B3ND3R was unstarred
    Image of Brian Brian
    11/20/09

    @B3ND3R: Nonsense. We had a loaded LaCrosse CXL in the frame shop for measurements yesterday. It was a hair over $35K and, from the looks of it, Lexus should be VERY nervous.
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    Image of B3ND3R B3ND3R
    11/20/09

    @Brian: Dunno 'bout that, but Edmunds has the 2011 Buick Regal MSRP listed at $28,500.

    [www.edmunds.com]

    Maybe they are just guessing, or maybe they know something we don't.

    Personally, I don't see a loaded $25K in this car's future since it seems to be gunning for the TSX ($29,310). Then again, Acura doesn't have billions of dollars in gubment money to help it be "competitive".
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    You know, now that there's a manual option, this thing's kinda tempting, if i was in the market for a TSX, Passat or Volvo. But I'm not. Nor will I ever be.

    They should have called it Insignia, though. This is a nice car, and the Regal name is only going to remind people of a car that was decidedly not nice.
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    Image of spuy767 spuy767
    11/21/09


    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: Yeah. That car is shit.
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    If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face promoted this comment spuy767 was starred spuy767 was unstarred
    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    11/21/09

    @spuy767: Okay. But, outside of the enthusiast community, when people think "Buick Regal." They're more likely to think of this.
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    Edited by If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face at 11/21/09 1:36 PM If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was starred If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was unstarred
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    11/21/09


    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face:
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    Image of spuy767 spuy767
    11/21/09

    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: Touché, but 97+ GS was pretty swell too. Not terrible looking either.

    #tips
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    If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face promoted this comment spuy767 was starred spuy767 was unstarred
    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    11/21/09

    @spuy767: When it came out? Yeah, it was a nice, clean design. And the supercharged 3800 was and still is a great powerplant. Unfortunately, the interior was wretched and Buick let the car hang around unchanged way too long. Basically, GM did everything they possibly could to kill the Regal name from 1988 until now and all of a sudden it's a world-beating entry-level luxury/sport sedan. I've come to expect this sort of thing, but it's still hard to swallow.

    This car should be the Insignia and the LaCrosse (a name that is 10x worse than Regal) should be the Invicta or Electra. Oh, and both models need a Gran Sport version.
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    It sounds, looks impressive. However, it is not a Buick damn it!
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    Image of wojo wojo
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    I notice that there is some hesitation to liking this car because of Buick's past target demographic. While it is understandable, I challenge those people to look past the badge and more at the car it's on.

    If it is truly bothersome, have the salesperson cover all of the Buick logos in masking tape, and have them meet you with the car in a part of town where nobody will recognize you.

    Part of choosing the right car is deciding which owner stereotype you are most comfortable living with. Every car from every brand comes with sort of stigma about the buyer. Shockingly, there are Prius owners that have never been to a Grateful Dead concert or smoked anything more mind-altering than tobacco. There are BMW owners who somehow manage to park in less than two handicap spaces at once. But those people still buy those cars because they fit their criteria perfectly.

    I'm still not sure about Camry owners though...
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    Image of Big Stig Big Stig
    11/20/09

    @wojo: Well said.

    Sincerely,

    Big Stig
    Future 2011 Buick Regal owner
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    It's relatively attractive, but gorgeous? No. I really don't see anything remarkable with this car, except that it does a nice job of filling in the gap where GM used to want Saab to be.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/20/09

    @brandegee: The situation did not allow me to capture the car properly. The only one that didn't have camouflage on it was the one above, which was not allowed out on the drive. Leave it to GM to put a great new car in the shadows, next to a pillar, under sodium lights.

    On the road, it's a damn nice lookin' ride.
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    Edited by Ben Wojdyla at 11/20/09 7:28 PM Ben Wojdyla was starred Ben Wojdyla was unstarred
    Image of Mobius Mobius
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    This is a future 500hp week article.

    In the USA, there's so much backlash against the old man image of Buick, but in China, it's a pretty luxurious midrange brand and somewhat energetic with their lineup.

    That said, China didn't get a chance with the land barges of yesteryears.
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    Image of jodark jodark
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    "feels overwhelmingly Germanic in nature."

    Well thats good, because we all know the Germans make good stuff.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/20/09

    @jodark: What few people may realize, is that a large percentage of the folks who designed, built and ran the foundries for GM emmigrated from southern Germany, Eastern Europe, and Italy. GM has had a large cadre of talent for generations.

    It's those darned WASP bean counters that have been keeping them all bottled up. Now that there appears to be an incentive to like, actually SUCCEED at this competition thing, the hybrid vigor of all those variagated mutts can be turned loose. I hope it works.

    Sic 'em Fritz!
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    Image of 500wishes 500wishes
    11/20/09


    @DoctorNine:
    "Well thats good, because we all know the Germans make good stuff"

    BITE THAT! Vince Shlomi
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    Interesting, but it should have been the VXR8.

    Then again, the GTO worked so well....

    Sigh.

    /the concept of flying-under-the-radar is lost on most people
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/20/09

    @that ain't the way to have fun, son: Amen.

    I wish we did have more sleepers.

    On the other hand, the reason that we don't have them anymore is that people didn't buy them because they looked like, well, sleepers.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/20/09

    @pauljones: With the proliferation of stick-on portholes and 24" wheels, I guess I shouldn't be surprised subtle doesn't sell well.

    This is why I like the 300C SRT, and cars like it. Haul-ass sedans just have appeal to me.
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    Image of GeeHalen GeeHalen
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    I go to work on foot and I usually see 2 or 3 Opel Insignias parking or moving around and I always think "these cars look better than almost any BMWs or Mercedes". I love it! And I'm quite happy about you Americans getting a taste of it too!
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive

    Let us hope this sells better than the last rebadged Opel.
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    Image of Jagvar Jagvar
    11/20/09

    @YankBoffin: But it's the Caddy that ZIGS!
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    Image of flyingstitch flyingstitch
    11/20/09

    @YankBoffin: I actually saw one of these in the wild a few months back. Without the badging, I would have been hard pressed to ID it. In hindsight, it was almost as heinous as the Cimarron. Almost.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/20/09

    @YankBoffin: And I almost had the Catera excised from my memory.

    Ack!!!!
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    11/20/09

    @flyingstitch: Nothing a couple more cylinders won't fix.
    [www.pbase.com]
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    Edited by Six Flags Over Tomsk at 11/20/09 2:47 PM Six Flags Over Tomsk was starred Six Flags Over Tomsk was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    11/20/09

    @YankBoffin: I was almost tempted to pick up on a 2000 Catera a few years back as a daily driver. The massive depreciation made the purchase price cheap, it doesn't look that bad, it's sort of sporty, and there's lots of goodies. A little digging around for info convinced me that would have been a dumb move.
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    Image of flyingstitch flyingstitch
    11/20/09

    @Six Flags Over Tomsk: Wow. Can you say 'sleeper'?
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    How does it compare with the Malibu in ride and handling? I was very impressed with a rental Malibu a couple years back and have since hoped the General would apply the same level of engineering to a smaller sedan. Perhaps this is why they hadn't.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    I particularly like the interior, which I think is at last better than the re-done Lincoln MKZ.

    I don't know about gorgeous, though. It does certainly possess pleasing curves and is very elegant, I think it falls just short of gorgeous. It just doesn't seem to have the right presence, at least not in pictures.

    I will look forward to seeing it in person at the LA Autoshow.
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    Image of adp113 adp113
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    It's still a Buick and that blue hair image is going to be tough to shake. Kill the brand and launch Holden as a US brand hell bent on going head to head with the Japanese and German luxury sport models.

    There is no future in Buick other than going the way of the Oldsmobile.
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    beercheck promoted this comment adp113 was starred adp113 was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    11/20/09

    @adp113: Do you not understand that the bluehair numbers are increasing at accelerating rates? Do you not think that having a division that caters to that demographic is a good idea?
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    11/20/09

    @beercheck: But the problem is this. The 80+ crowd now driving Buick's came of age when having a Buick in the driveway was a sign of success. Now you take the baby boomer generation that made their money in the 80's, the defined success as a BMW or Mercedes in the driveway. So as the baby boomers are getting older they are not going to be buying a Buick. Why? Because a Buick was what their father drove and as they age the will continue to park BMWs, Infinities, Mercedes, and Lexus in their driveway's as this is their mark of success. Do you see many people in their 50's and early 60's driving a Buick? At 50 years old driving a Buick is not a sign of success, it's a sign of failure.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive

     
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/20/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: Belize I don't understand.
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    Image of englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Buick Regal: First Drive
    Wow, a Euro-US transfer that hasn't had it's suspenders altered? (there is a pun there)

    I know I'm a weirdo euro-type but it does seem odd to me that it's being branded as a Buick. I guess Vaux/Opel sits in a branding blackspot for GM in the US.

    Nice one for getting a drive though. I'm liking that Jalopnik are getting more of an opportunity to do reviews though I'm also incredibly jealous at the same time!
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/20/09

    @englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat: Stay tuned. As an Euro fan, you're going to hate me later.
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