I don't give two shits about how difficult it is to do a repair, aside from its big brother Veyron, this is the greatest all-around supercar in the world.
If you want something that's easy to fix, don't buy a supercar. Remember the rule? Fast, cheap, reliable; pick any two, because you can't have all three. I hear a Tempo is nice and easy to work on. Go get one of those, and shut the fuck up about how difficult the R8 is to repair.
@Deartháir - Now with more SingoFinger™!: Easy there, buddy. You know I love R*s. Sounds like someone just got the bill for the oil change on theirs, and they tacked on the air fare for the technician from Ingolstadt.
@engineerd has lost the funny: I am a little cranky. I came into this article and drooled a little over the Bruce. And then got promptly kicked straight into a bad mood by our resident troll. No, it's not a fucking Corvette, thanks for pointing that out. Why is an R8 harder to work on? Because it's fucking MID-ENGINED. Do I need to go over that again with smaller words?
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@Deartháir - Now with more SingoFinger™!: You know how certain towns have mayor for the day- well once a month Jalopnik should have "Banhammerer for the Day." They would pick, or we would vote, for a commenter to get the Banhammer privilege for the day. What do you think?
@leavethegun-takethecannoli: I think it would be a very bad idea if I ended up with it on a day where I hadn't had enough coffee. We'd need Jim Ross from the World Wrasslin Federation to follow me around yelling, "OH, THE CARNAGE! OH, THE HUMANITY!"
@beercheck: See, I am perfectly okay with people thinking the R8 is unattractive. I acknowledge that there are different tastes out there, and not everything is going to suit everyone.
Hell, I hear there are even people out there who think the Camaro is attractive. Of course, these people are dead wrong, but clearly opinions vary.
@Deartháir - Now with more SingoFinger™!: The R8 is like the Juliette Lewis of supercars, but with two black eyes and dirty ass cheeks. There's plenty of sexy there still, but....
Suddenly, the location of the alternator in the Escape doesn't seem so bad.
I'm digging the custom fender cover, though. I wonder if they have one perfectly tailored to the curves and bends of the 2008 Mustang fender? Ah, who am I kidding. My car is still dealer serviced. At least for another 15000 miles.
@d3c509b aka Steve: Pfft, any counterfeiter could slap four circles on a fender cover and call it "official." You know it's really Audi when it's embroidered.
OK sir, we got that left rear blinker replaced, and once we have removed the front suspension we'll have those new windshield wipers installed in no time.
@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I still remember the manual for my Buick Century. I tried to replace a burned-out taillight bulb -- one of, what, 40 they put across the back of that fucking car?? -- and turned to the manual for instructions.
The manual read:
Taillight bulb replacement:
Do not attempt. Take to your local GM service centre, as this should only be performed by GM-certified technicians.
Really? Replacing a bulb? Okay. So I took it in. Estimated time required, 3 hours. Estimated cost, $240.
Hahahahahahaha fuck right off. They must have had to remove the engine as well, because I had pulled the engine out of that car in about an hour. I can't see what, in replacing a bulb, would take three hours.
@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I had that experience with a 60's XKE. My boss wanted me to take the engine out of it so it could be rebuilt. I had never worked on a XKE before so I picked up a Haynes manual and the first step read, "remove driver's seat."
@SlowMo -the anti-star: You see that, and you just know it's going to be a long day. And it will require vastly more beer than usual.
Sometimes you can cheat a bit, like wriggling the oil pan out without removing the subframe's crossmember. Or you can ALMOST do it, but then it takes you three times longer, and a lot more thrown wrenches.
I replaced my oil pump - which happens to be on indecently intimate terms with the nether regions of the firewall. It's literally at the center of the car. Only took about three hours to get those four bolts back in and tight without cross threading them. Or I could have gotten out a chain hoist and removed most of the engine mounts, some wires and pipes, and had a fairly clear shot at it. Wish I had a chain hoist.
@horspowr1001: Big '70's GM V-8s has two rear spark plugs under the AC compressor. There was a special spark plug wrench that made getting at them easier. But no one had one because they were too cheap. With time and dedication you could coax those plugs out. Mostly they looked like they'd never been touched and were pretty crusty.
I hear Pacer's had an access port cut into the firewall, so you could get at the rearmost plug from the interior.
@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I believe it was the '88 - '91 Chevy Blazer with the manual transmission that required you to lift the body off the frame by a few inches to replace the clutch. But don't worry, it's only by a few inches. Seriously, the body off the frame?? Really? Someone didn't foresee this being a problem with a part that does actually require replacement on a regular basis?
@zeeboid: The R8 is a luxury performance car. The Corvette ZR1 is just a performance car. Comparing the two by performance alone is like saying that if your Cobalt SS is as fast as a Rolls Royce, they must be equal cars.
@Hello Mister Walrus: THANK YOU. Fucking heart-click for you. The sheer stupidity caused my brain to short-circuit for a minute there, you managed to flip the breaker for me.
@ManicSquirrel: The vette has better visibility and more cargo space. Most reviews of the ZR1 talk about how ridiculously usable the ZR1 is, is there anything that the R8 does so much better that makes up for its lack of cargo and rear visibility? If it was a daily driver I would like to pick up groceries every once in awhile or drop off someone at the airport with luggage.
@Chaparral: And, hey, a Grand Caravan has even more cargo space!
Come for a drive in Canada for about 8 months of the year, I'll explain to you in great detail why the R8 is more capable than the ZR1. The R8 is a year-round, luxury supercar. The Corvette is a supercar.
I have known people that have used vettes and boxsters year round in Chicago. Now I will grant you there are probably worse places that would put a priority on AWD, but from my experience in winter it is less getting going that causes problems and more braking and turning, neither of which does AWD help. Really the AWD is best in hilly areas that lack proper snow removal.
Your whole "Canada" argument is academic anyhow. According to my american education, Canadian's primarily use dog sleds for transport between socialized medicine and hockey. Simply parking a Zr1 or a R8 inside you primary residence would melt the snow it is built out of. We might as well debate what is the best pair of ice skates if you live in Somolia.
@Chaparral: Actually, AWD helps in every aspect, not just getting going. A smart winter driver knows not to use the brakes unless absolutely necessary, and even then, only in combination with engine braking. It also helps significantly in cornering because you have four powered wheels to potentially pull you out of a slide. In winter, in fairness, AWD > anything else.
Cheers on having a sense of humour about this; but as brownie points out, you DID call everyone out, asking if there was anything the R8 did better.
Okay, I'm sorry guys, but sitting in full race gear in front of a PS3 makes ya look like a tool. Even the Stig would look like a dork fiddling with a Logitech wheel.
Of course you could say that the PS3 overheating issues are so bad that the nomex is necessary...
@Danimal: It only gets worse once it's nearing completion and they start showing off stuff. Like when GT4 was about to come out and they were starting to release some of the cars that were gonna be included...then delayed the release cause of net code issues.
Nevertheless, once I got my driver's license at the tender age of 16 years and three days old (along with my first speeding ticket), I have not played a single driving simulation game, as I could get off my ass and drive for real any time I wanted to. Granted, I wasn't exactly driving Porsches, but I could (and did) earn money, spend it on parts, build up my car, and race it.
Yeah, but I can get up and race for an hour before I go to work. Of course I can go to a track day, but it's expensive, far away, expensive and takes the whole day (plus prep time). GT5 isn't perfect, but it lets get in my racng fix when I want it. It also allows me to drive a bunch of cars I wouldn't normally be able to drive.
I've raced off-road (Baja 500 style) as well as flat track & TT on bikes.
You're not actually driving. You are pressing a few buttons and moving a joystick around. You may not be able to go to a track day all the time, but that just means that the occasional times that you can are all the more fun. You may not have access to the turns of the Nurburgring, but that doesn't mean you cant find yourself a windy, mountain road (unless you're in the midwest) or an empty, abandoned stretch of road in the midwest (they exist, dammit, I've seen my share of them).
No, it isn't as exciting as we imagine an actual race track would be. But it is a lot more interesting than a video game.
@pauljones: I played the first three in the Gran Turismo series to death, but it did not even come close to doing time-trials in my BMW. Even driving down some empty curvy roads after work was more satisfying.
You need a wheel to play GT. Ok, you _can_ play with a joystick, but it certainly doesn't make for a very good simulation.
Personally, I mostly play GT during the winter when my car sits, resting comfortably on it's summer performance tires, safe from all of the salt on the road and the people who can't drive.
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If you want something that's easy to fix, don't buy a supercar. Remember the rule? Fast, cheap, reliable; pick any two, because you can't have all three. I hear a Tempo is nice and easy to work on. Go get one of those, and shut the fuck up about how difficult the R8 is to repair.
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Have a drink, you'll feell better.
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Oh, and I agree with everything Deartháir said.
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@Deartháir and cannoli: Seriously, why didn't he just stay b& the first time?!
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Hell, I hear there are even people out there who think the Camaro is attractive. Of course, these people are dead wrong, but clearly opinions vary.
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Maybe my superpower is ignoring ignorance!
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But then I saw your reasoning post. Yeah, the troll needs to go...
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I'm digging the custom fender cover, though. I wonder if they have one perfectly tailored to the curves and bends of the 2008 Mustang fender? Ah, who am I kidding. My car is still dealer serviced. At least for another 15000 miles.
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Do they really need to have AUDI embroidered on them?
Answer: yes.
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1. Remove Engine.
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Assembly is the opposite of removal.
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The manual read:
Taillight bulb replacement:
Do not attempt. Take to your local GM service centre, as this should only be performed by GM-certified technicians.
Really? Replacing a bulb? Okay. So I took it in. Estimated time required, 3 hours. Estimated cost, $240.
Hahahahahahaha fuck right off. They must have had to remove the engine as well, because I had pulled the engine out of that car in about an hour. I can't see what, in replacing a bulb, would take three hours.
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Back then I wasn't even an engineer yet, and I still thought it was a stupid idea.
I should get paid more.
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Sometimes you can cheat a bit, like wriggling the oil pan out without removing the subframe's crossmember. Or you can ALMOST do it, but then it takes you three times longer, and a lot more thrown wrenches.
I replaced my oil pump - which happens to be on indecently intimate terms with the nether regions of the firewall. It's literally at the center of the car. Only took about three hours to get those four bolts back in and tight without cross threading them. Or I could have gotten out a chain hoist and removed most of the engine mounts, some wires and pipes, and had a fairly clear shot at it. Wish I had a chain hoist.
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I hear Pacer's had an access port cut into the firewall, so you could get at the rearmost plug from the interior.
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Oh wait, no, its easier. but... the ZR1 costs less, is faster, more powerful, better daily driver, better on the twisties, better in the straights...
Why are they making the R8 again?
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Because not everyone is a balding dentist with a mid-life crisis?
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I wouldn't go so far as to say the vette is a better daily driver....
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He also only got $53k for the trade of his 07 Z06 with less then 1,400 miles on it, which he paid over $80k for when new.
Something tells me you wont lose that much on the R8 when it comes time to sell.
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Come for a drive in Canada for about 8 months of the year, I'll explain to you in great detail why the R8 is more capable than the ZR1. The R8 is a year-round, luxury supercar. The Corvette is a supercar.
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Yeah, it puts the engine in the middle...
If you want cagro space, there are awesomely sick cars for that too:
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I have known people that have used vettes and boxsters year round in Chicago. Now I will grant you there are probably worse places that would put a priority on AWD, but from my experience in winter it is less getting going that causes problems and more braking and turning, neither of which does AWD help. Really the AWD is best in hilly areas that lack proper snow removal.
Your whole "Canada" argument is academic anyhow. According to my american education, Canadian's primarily use dog sleds for transport between socialized medicine and hockey. Simply parking a Zr1 or a R8 inside you primary residence would melt the snow it is built out of. We might as well debate what is the best pair of ice skates if you live in Somolia.
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Cheers on having a sense of humour about this; but as brownie points out, you DID call everyone out, asking if there was anything the R8 did better.
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And we're going to have to keep our PS2 systems, because the old games don't work on the PS3
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Of course you could say that the PS3 overheating issues are so bad that the nomex is necessary...
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I agree with you on the suit, though.
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The never ending wait is causing expectations to sky rocket.
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Sure, it's a great source of entertainment, but really, why bother when you can get out there and do it yourself?
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are we still doing that?
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Nevertheless, once I got my driver's license at the tender age of 16 years and three days old (along with my first speeding ticket), I have not played a single driving simulation game, as I could get off my ass and drive for real any time I wanted to. Granted, I wasn't exactly driving Porsches, but I could (and did) earn money, spend it on parts, build up my car, and race it.
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Yeah, but I can get up and race for an hour before I go to work. Of course I can go to a track day, but it's expensive, far away, expensive and takes the whole day (plus prep time). GT5 isn't perfect, but it lets get in my racng fix when I want it. It also allows me to drive a bunch of cars I wouldn't normally be able to drive.
I've raced off-road (Baja 500 style) as well as flat track & TT on bikes.
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You're not actually driving. You are pressing a few buttons and moving a joystick around. You may not be able to go to a track day all the time, but that just means that the occasional times that you can are all the more fun. You may not have access to the turns of the Nurburgring, but that doesn't mean you cant find yourself a windy, mountain road (unless you're in the midwest) or an empty, abandoned stretch of road in the midwest (they exist, dammit, I've seen my share of them).
No, it isn't as exciting as we imagine an actual race track would be. But it is a lot more interesting than a video game.
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You need a wheel to play GT. Ok, you _can_ play with a joystick, but it certainly doesn't make for a very good simulation.
Personally, I mostly play GT during the winter when my car sits, resting comfortably on it's summer performance tires, safe from all of the salt on the road and the people who can't drive.
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Will this be available for xbox too?