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Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
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Triborough
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
I can't wait for the 2009 range of K Cars!
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Hannah_101
12/03/08

@Triborough: I can't wait either! Perhaps we'll also get new Omni/O24 models to fill the subcompact market.
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MushyHeirloom
12/03/08

@Hannah_101: They'd beat the fuck out of the Caliber, anyway.
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jduffy13
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
There's a great facial expression Wrangler owners make. It looks better on women than it does on men. Usually it's from them rolling into work late driven by a friend or relative in a vehicle other than a Wrangler. Then you ask them why they're late and they make that awesome face when they explain that they're Wrangler died on the way to work and that it's going to cost thousands to get it to run again.

Freaking priceless!
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Mad_Science
12/03/08

@jduffy13: Bullshit.

I'm on my 2nd Wrangler and neither has ever died on me.

I broke of tooth off the pinion in the rear diff offroad once (my fault), but still managed to limp it to work the next day.

Now, if we're talking CJs, that's a whole different story. (but the parts are usually cheaper).
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AmishJohn
12/03/08

@Mad_Science: I have, personally, fixed a CJ with (at various times) bailing wire, duct tape, real estate signs, a hydraulic jack, a twelve-pound sledge, and a taped-together stack of pennies.

They may break, but they're dirt simple, and the breaks are rarely fatal.
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Timtoolman, sporadically speaking
12/03/08

@Mad_Science: My CJ was flawlees for 7 years, only it rusted like HELL!
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Mad_Science
12/03/08

@timtoolman: The biggest problem with CJs (at least in California) is that most of the survivors come from the AMC Vacuum Emissions and Rudimentary Control Era (AVERCE).

In CA, if it's post-'75, you still have to pass smog, meaning you need to keep 30hp worth of nonsense in the engine.
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DoctorNine
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
"Show me the money, honey..."
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Scaramanga
12/03/08

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Cerberus has very deep pockets, I'm perplexed why their money and assets aren't first utilized before taxpayer money is spent.

A bailout by taxpayers should be the absolute last resort. Maybe because Cerberus is headed by famous politicians like former fed chairman Jon Snow and Dan Quayle.
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scroggzilla raids again
12/03/08

@Scaramanga: .....and let us not forget one of Cerberus's largest investors, Donald Rumsfeld.
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Deartháir II
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
That would be nice if they'd do a lineup refresh, because I'm one of about twelve people out there who actually likes the 300C and 300C SRT8. I would LIKE a nice refresh on those cars. I don't expect it though. I believe Mercedes took all the competent designers with them when they took their ball and went home, and the few who remained, Cerberus had taken out and shot. Cost savings, you know.
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Pete Gaines
12/03/08

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For 2009, Chrysler plans to reinvent the domestic auto industry by introducing the following paradigm-shifting ALL-NEW cars:

1) Dodge Wrangler

2) Jeep Sebring

3) Plymouth 300M

4) Chrysler Avenger

5) Dodge Town and Country

6) Jeep Caravan

7) Plymouth Caliber

8) Chrysler Compass

9) DeSoto Patriot
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brandegee
12/03/08

@Pete Gaines: I for one would buy a DeSoto Patriot.
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MushyHeirloom
12/03/08

@brandegee: Will it be based on the K-car?
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Graverobber
12/03/08

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In light of how far behind the curve Chrysler is in developing - or licensing - existing hybrid and full EV technology, I find it amusing that they have named their electric car the ENVI.

I wonder if they plan on releasing a vehicle that will top the sales charts called the DREEMON?
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GothGirl
12/03/08

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I think out of the big three, Chrysler is the most likely to be buzzard bait. Ford and GM have some decent products, and many more in the pipeline. What does the former Iaccoca warriors have? NOTHING. No small car, have they made a mid sized car in the last 20 years that wasn't a joke? Give Chrysler nothing.
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EffieGodinka
12/03/08

MMMMMMMMyeah, GM has so much better product that they need 4 billion NOW to make it to the end of the year. The only reason Ford is ahead right now is because they were able jettison Land Rover, Jaguar, Mazda stock and now Volvo.
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MushyHeirloom
12/03/08

@EffieGodinka: What does GM have? Let's see, a competitive midsize car (Malibu), a competent sports sedan (CTS/V), an everyday supercar that's within reach of the upper-middle-class (Corvette), no-nonsense heavy-duty trucks (Silverado, the Sierra's redundant), well-crafted full-size crossovers (not that there's a huge market for the Lambdas, but they're put together properly)...

Ford's not far off, with a solid Fusion, excellent-but-dull Taurus/Flex, and half a dozen European models that would sell like hotcakes here if they were introduced.

Chrysler has minivans and the Wrangler, and nothing else of any value.
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six
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
Remind me again why a privately held company requires a bailout? And why Cerebus can't just throw their money into the fire instead of the taxpayers' money? Oh right, because JOBS ARE AT STAKE.
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muhnkee_2 - Avantime Owner and 100% Jaloper
12/03/08

@six: good point, here is some data on wikipedia on cerebus:

Cerberus Capital Management Cerberus Capital Management

Type Limited Partnership

Founded 1992

Headquarters New York City

Industry Private Equity

Products private equity funds

Total assets $24 billion

Parent Time Warner

Website www.cerberuscapital.com

so surely time warner could dip into its pockets for some cash for its little project?
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muhnkee_2 - Avantime Owner and 100% Jaloper
12/03/08

@muhnkee_2: also from wikipedia:

Financial Services - General Motors sold a 51% stake in its GMAC finance unit to an investor group led by Cerberus Capital Management in November 2006. GM expected to receive $14 billion over the next three years from the sale of General Motors
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Deartháir II
12/03/08

@muhnkee_2: from the sale of General Motors

Wait... what?
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layabout
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
Out of the three,Chrysler have come out of this with the least self respect intact,they just seem to hide behind the stronger two. Ford & GM would be the big guy that knocks someone out,Chrysler would be the little fella that stood around waiting that kicks the unconscious guy in the stomach.
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
I hope Nardelli shows up in a Grand Cherokee SRT-8 towing a Wrangler. That's the best Chrysler hybrid vehicle available.
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RootingForTheMeteor
12/03/08

In reply to Chrysler Needs $11 Billion To Make It Until The Imaginary 2009 Product Lineup Refresh
I still can't grasp what these seven-to-nine new models could be.
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AmishJohn
12/03/08

@RootingForTheMeteor: I'm hoping for the Seven-Of-Nine model. Taut exterior, and supremely built for frontal impacts.
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Deartháir II
12/03/08

@AmishJohn: Mmmm, Seven of Mine.

They'd give Volvo a run for their money in the airbag department...
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AmishJohn
12/03/08

@Deartháir: Who needs airbags if you can have funbags? Problem is, they're all slushboxes... you don't want to find a stick on one of these, nosir.
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
12/03/08

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DoctorNine
12/03/08

@The Name's Ash78, Housewares: Exactly.
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brandegee
12/03/08

@The Name's Ash78, Housewares: Hey, at least his team's winning right now.
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Uncle Bo
12/02/08

In reply to GM Sends Congress Plan Asking For $12 To $18 Billion, "Alternatives" For Saturn Brand
Make GMC the exclusive truck brand of GM and stop selling Chevrolet trucks. Large markets can support stand alone GMC stores, smaller markets get GMC dualed with Chevy and other GM brands.

This will establish GMC as the go-to brand for GM trucks, allowing them to advertise and market the brand properly. Chevy can refocus its brand on value, economy and performance.

I think Pontiac needs to go as its entire product line can easily be rebadged as Chevy (imagine an authentic RWD Chevy Impala SS). I know Pontiac has an amazing heritage but that's been diluted to the point where it no longer matters.

I like Buick as a niche product line, a step down in price from Cadillac but different product from Chevy. They need more models and some specialized marketing but it can work. If GM cannot differentiate the product from the other brands, ditch it.

Keep Cadillac going down the road its been on.

Saturn, Saab, Hummer..... see ya!
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Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
12/02/08

In reply to GM Sends Congress Plan Asking For $12 To $18 Billion, "Alternatives" For Saturn Brand
"GM has never failed to meet a Congressional mandate in the important areas of fuel efficiency and vehicle emissions..." and has also successfully blocked most legislation that would have had any discernible effect.
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