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    The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers

    Ford Expects Profitability In 2011, Battery Electric Van By 2010, BEV Sedan For 2011

    Mitt Romney Changes Tune When It Comes To Michigan

    Congressman Urges Automaker CEOs To "Jetpool" When Heading To DC Begging For Money

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    Image of Jim-Bob Jim-Bob
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    That's amazing! Chrysler thinks there are 500,000 Americans willing to buy an electric Chrysler when they can't even get it right using tried and true internal combustion! In fact, I find it funny that they think they will actually sell 500,000 cars of ANY kind in that time period!
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    Image of FLB is on vacation FLB is on vacation
    12/19/08

    @Jim-Bob: Quote: '500,000: The number of electric vehicles Chrysler intends (my italics) to put on the road by 2013'


    Do 5-acre parking lots count as part of the road?

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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    12/19/08

    @FLB: They do if they're dealer storage lots.
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    Image of elwood elwood
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    So now in 102 days when GM is still bleeding money, do I get to say "I told you so"?
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    12/19/08

    @elwood: I suppose you coudl do that, if it makes you feel good.


    We'll happily scroll over.

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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    "Yes, 24 new vehicles. We didn't say 24 separate models, ha ha!"
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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    12/19/08

    @The Name's Ash78, Housewares:.

    news flash: chrysler just announces 23 editions of its profitable aspen suv along with its new ram 8500 heavy-duty truck. which features standard-equipment trucknuts
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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    12/19/08

    @damnelantra™: Each of the 24 vehicles will be specially numbered "1/1" to indicate limited edition status.
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    Image of oddboxalfa oddboxalfa
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    If you listened to Bush this morning there was more than a hint in his speech that talked about disorderly bankruptcy. All this is doing for Chrysler is providing more time for them to organize their legal personel to file an orderly bankruptcy. They are given 3 more months to FAIL in an orderly fashion. Nothing will change by March 31, 2009. Chrysler will be no more.
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    12/19/08

    @oddboxalfa: Then we should all pitch in to buy the Viper tooling so we can continue production - Nate Altman* style. I've got $20 burning a hole in my pocket, who else wants to be a shareholder of JBM - Jalopnik Badassitry Motors?


    *[www.avantisource.com]

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/19/08

    @graverobber- Facebook 'em Danno: Put me in for $20! Can we try and get the Ford GT tooling as well?
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    12/19/08

    @Deartháir and his eight little drained beers: Yeah! Who has that, Saleen?

    Wait a minute, Ford's supposed to live through this. Damn!
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    Image of jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    When the Government collects plants instead of dollars, they are going to make the same model for 30 years with zero changes.
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    Image of SundaySunday SundaySunday
    12/19/08

    @jbownsabmw but still wants GM to survive: And they'll be "styled" like Grumman postal vans.


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    Image of Timtoolman, going ASH Timtoolman, going ASH
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    102 days is not a lot of time, especially considering what Chrysler has in the pipeline.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    12/19/08

    @timtoolman: A little fiber will help move that.
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    12/19/08

    @Mike the Dog: NIce one.
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    Image of theallpowerfulme (living waters church of subaru; elder) theallpowerfulme (living waters church of subaru; elder)
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    500,000: The number of electric vehicles Chrysler intends to put on the road by 2013


    *ahem... Bullshit?

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    Image of Franzouse Franzouse
    12/19/08

    @theallpowerfulme: No one noticed that in Chrysler's announcement of 500.000 electric vehicles there's a very tiny "RC" in fine print right between electric and vehicle.

    It's a long con.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    So the CEOs of GM and Chrysler will have to buy corporate turbo-props? Dark days, indeed.
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    Image of Comrade Teargaskov Comrade Teargaskov
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    The numbers look a lot bigger with all those little 0's. Let's go back to numbers like $4b. That seems tiny by comparison.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/19/08

    In reply to The GM, Chrysler Federal Bailout By The Numbers
    I can't wait to see Chrysler's 24 new vehicles.
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    Image of sos10 sos10
    12/19/08

    @pauljones: Neither can Chrysler.
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    Image of Dr. H. F. Danger Dr. H. F. Danger
    12/19/08

    @pauljones: Chrysler is the king of rebranding/renaming. They will make three new cars, rebadge them for Dodge, Jeep, Plymouth & Eagle (reborn for carpocalypse). Then they will borrow a couple cars from Mitsubishi and do the same with those.


    Welcome the new Eagle Evolution Talon.

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    Image of oddboxalfa oddboxalfa
    12/19/08

    @pauljones: Would a merger with another company that currently offers/will offer 24 new vehicles count? I see this as the only possibility.
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    Image of MaxSmart32 MaxSmart32
    12/19/08

    @sos10: Oh, come now. Can't you see it?



    "2012 Chrysler 300, with deluxe Ricardo Montoban trim."


    "2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee - Levi's Edition."


    "2010 Dodge Avenger - Richard Petty Special."


    "2011 Dodge Ram - Simon & Simon Edition."


    "2012 Chrysler Airflow - Reliving Past Mistakes Edition."


    There's five right there!

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/19/08

    @Dr.Danger will host US Top Gear PLZ:


    Mitsubishi Sapporo Challenger VR-4 Evolution and Plymouth Stealth Laser GSX X for the win!!!

     Reply
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/19/08

    @oddboxalfa: It's not out of the realm of possibility yet.
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    Image of SundaySunday SundaySunday
    12/19/08

    @MaxSmart32: Ooh, I totally want the Simon & Simon Dodge Ram!
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    Image of scottcom36 has Weekday DT's, Weekend OD's scottcom36 has Weekday DT's, Weekend OD's
    12/19/08

    @pauljones: How may will have the letter K on the trunk lid?
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/19/08

    @scottcom36: Not as many as will have the letters RSTLNE. THose are the most common, you know.
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    12/19/08

    @MaxSmart32: I actually thought the Airflow was cool.


    Of course, that's probably why it was a failure: I wasn't around back then, and most people are not me.

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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    12/19/08

    @Dr.Danger will host US Top Gear PLZ: You can't forget DeSoto!
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    12/02/08

    In reply to Ford Expects Profitability In 2011, Battery Electric Van By 2010, BEV Sedan For 2011
    For a plethora of reasons, I'm pretty well qualified to compare Ford and GM's business over the past two years (I'd hazard to say much more so than any here).


    Given that, the only "large" difference in the two companies, and their plans, was Ford's prescient move to borrow a TON of money at the end of 06, and sell JLR while people could buy. Had they not mortgaged everything to the hilt, they would be in the worse shape out of the two. Perhaps this should provide some perspective?


    That said, this PR piece is totally pandering to the green-hypocrites in Washington, and not the key to their success. They'll succeed by improving the normal, non-hybrid, non "gee-whiz" tech cars over the next few years. Havings seen up close nearly all those cars, it will work.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/02/08

    @rlj676-new job, same problems: I'd call that foresight. The problem NOW is that nobody can borrow any money, but Ford already has financing set up.


    Call it luck if you like, but either way, it was a better move.

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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    12/02/08

    In reply to Ford Expects Profitability In 2011, Battery Electric Van By 2010, BEV Sedan For 2011
    Ford also announced the 2012 introduction of the Battery Electric Vehicle- Manual Overdrive or BevMo!. The BevMo! offers additional benefits over a BEV vehicle, such as Buy one charge, get a second for 5¢ or Charge Kegs for parties.


    In response to this announcement, Trader Joe's issued, in a press release, notice of the 2011 release of their own brand of electric vehicle; Two Buck Truck.

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    Image of Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing
    12/02/08

    @graverobber- My Yugo Nova!:

    You are a f***ing genius! BEV this and BEV that in the title bar, but I had no idea where to run with it. Bravo...!
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    Image of BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ
    12/02/08

    In reply to Ford Expects Profitability In 2011, Battery Electric Van By 2010, BEV Sedan For 2011
    Respect..

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/02/08

    @BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ - thankfully surrounded by pretty girls: I may have to un-click your heart for using a Sasha Baron Cohen reference. You're on friendship probation. You watch yourself.
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    12/02/08

    In reply to Ford Expects Profitability In 2011, Battery Electric Van By 2010, BEV Sedan For 2011
    Unlike GM, Ford understands the need for PR when asking for a $25 billion bridge-loan.


    Are you listening GM? As small a step this may be, it at least makes it look like Ford's heading in the right direction whereas GM ... oh lord, we Jalops have seen GM fuck it up time and again the past few weeks. It's not complicated, GM. FORD can do it, why can't you?

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    Image of prndl-The Unemployed prndl-The Unemployed
    12/02/08

    In reply to Ford Expects Profitability In 2011, Battery Electric Van By 2010, BEV Sedan For 2011
    Ford Motor Company welcomes the opportunity to submit our Plan to the Senate Banking Committee, and appreciates the time and attention Congress is devoting to the critical issues that confront the domestic automotive industry in the current economic environment. And we are also willing to loan some of our fine accounting staff to the Senate to help them manage their budget as well, for a small nominal fee.


    In this submission, we first provide an overview of the current business environment jacked by those greedy "Wall Street" types, then discuss our Plan for viability through groveling to you self-serving "Washington" types, and conclude by answering the specific questions posed in the correspondence received from Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, no description necessary, "You know what you are."


    We all have a shared interest in protecting American jobs, and our own, a vital American industry and American innovation. As the Committee knows so well, the ongoing economic and credit crisis has affected many Americans - from losing their jobs to losing their homes and pretty much screwed over every working class individual. The recession also has had very negative ramifications for the U.S. auto industry, which supports five million jobs in all 50 states and spends $12 billion annually on research and development in the U.S. - more than any other industry, those "foreign" companies just ship those profits home. Oh, by the way did you notice Toyota is cutting their bi-annual bonus to employees by 10% which accounts for one third of their annual salary?


    In fact, Ford was profitable in the first quarter of 2008 before the credit and broader economic crisis rapidly and dramatically shrunk demand for automobiles to a 25 year low, thank you "Trickle Down" economics. That's why we respectfully ask Congress to work with us to provide temporary access to loans that, if needed, will help us continue to restructure in this difficult economic period in order to eliminate most of our tax paying work force and put them on "No-car-buying" "No-white-Christmas" "No-Santa-Claus" unemployment to please all you self-serving east-coasters.


    We note that Ford is in a different situation from our competitors, family owned, in that we believe our Company has the necessary liquidity to weather this current economic downturn - assuming that it is of limited duration, and the impending fire sale of Volvo goes as planned. If the downturn is longer and deeper than we now anticipate, however, access to government financing would be important to help us be able to continue to implement our Plan and benefit when the economic recovery inevitably arrives, hopefully before my firing and/or retirement. While we hope we do not have to access the loans and can give out corporate bonuses, we believe it is critically important that loans are available to us and the domestic auto industry, because we cannot carry the cause by ourselves.


    Thank you.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/02/08

    @prndl: *slow clap* Well done.
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