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    Image of Franzouse Franzouse
    11/04/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    I just gave back my free subscription to Business Week; this truly is an outrage . #uglycars
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/04/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    I think BW is mistaking "ugly" for "different". I personally think its a ploy to have us all driving boring, like-styled econoboxes that the automakes can churn out cheaply and mark up to a huge degree, with almost zero styling effort put into them. 'Cause, you know, if we all start demanding something different, they'll have to waste all that money designing different cars, and that would cut into the bottom line.

    My bottom line: I want a Tucker. Cd: 0.27. Name a modern car that can match _that_. #uglycars
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    Image of petersterncan petersterncan
    11/04/09

    @mechimike: GM EV1 #uglycars
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    mechimike promoted this comment petersterncan was starred petersterncan was unstarred
    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/04/09

    @petersterncan: A modern production car. #uglycars
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    Image of digginit digginit
    11/04/09

    @mechimike: Prius. Sorry. #uglycars
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    mechimike promoted this comment digginit was starred digginit was unstarred
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    11/04/09

    @digginit: And which would you rather drive, a Tucker Torpedo or a Prius? Be careful, your answer may result in expulsion from Jalopnik if incorrect. #uglycars
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    Image of digginit digginit
    11/04/09

    @mechimike: A Tucker Torpedo of course. #uglycars
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    Image of petersterncan petersterncan
    11/04/09

    @mechimike: Toyota Prius and Honda Insight... both your favourites, right?

    ;-D #uglycars
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/05/09

    @digginit: "And he hits the lobbed, underhanded softball out of the park!" #uglycars
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    Image of area_educator area_educator
    11/04/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    All the Prowler stirs in me is memories of how much I'd like to have a Panoz Roadster.

    And also a Seven. #uglycars
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    Image of Harald Heldt Harald Heldt
    11/04/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    what is even remotely ugly about this??

    [www.ipdusa.com] #uglycars
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    Image of AclockWorkApple AclockWorkApple
    11/04/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List

    Here as simple solution for that cover car to look better, make it EVIL. Evil cars always look waaay better than ugly cars. #uglycars
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    Ben Wojdyla promoted this comment AclockWorkApple was starred AclockWorkApple was unstarred
    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/04/09

    @AclockWorkApple: You know, I thought our graphics guy did a great job making the ugly duckling car, it's incredibly realistic looking, but you've managed to improve it. Well done. #uglycars
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    Image of Plasma X Plasma X
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    The Wartburg 353 is on this list with the following caption: "Can you find one thing you like about this East German car?"

    I think that's a challenge.

    Oh Wartburg 353, how do I wuv thee, wet me count da ways...

    1.) You are red. Red is the most awesome color ever. It's in sunsets, fire, fire engines, clown noses, and ketchup. It's also a popular sports car color. Shame on BusinessWeek for hating on not one, but six red cars.

    2.) The engine. It's a two stroke with just seven moving parts. SEVEN. I can count that on my fingers, even after the heavy casualties Lefty took in the Battle of Cannes-Opener. I can even wiggle my fingers to signify that they are moving parts. Spirit fingers go!

    3.) It was made in East Germany. I mean, the country no longer exists. People love orphaned cars, right? Except in this case, not just the company went under, it was the whole communist block. I mean it would be like if Yugoslavia had made a hip-to-be-square car before it went away. Oh wait...

    4.) It was made for twenty three years. In East Germany. It's like the Wartburg 353 and the Volkswagen Beetle were sisters. All the boys chased the curvy, older, just-wanna-have-fun Beetle, while the poor young tag-along Wartburg got stuck with the embarrassing name, the thick geek glasses, and 23 years of braces. Poor underdog. Gotta love them underdogs!

    5.) The fact that the jalopnik article ([jalopnik.com]), the businessweek article, and the wikipedia page ([en.wikipedia.org]) all have the same picture of the car. It's like only one of them existed to be photographed, meaning it must be SUPER RARE!!!

    So BusinessWeek, you suck for saying a rare underdog red car with an awesome engine that comes from East Germany is ugly, and then copying your picture straight from wikipedia, without checking your facts and realizing how wrong you are. I'm subscribing to you just so I can cancel my subscription!
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    Edited by Plasma X at 11/03/09 11:12 PM Plasma X was starred Plasma X was unstarred
    Image of Jim-Bob Jim-Bob
    11/03/09

    @Plasma X: You forgot that the body was made from Duroplast ( I think... I know the Trabant P70,P50,P60 and P601 are made of it, and IFA made both cars.) It's communism's answer to fiberglass, which makes it very cool. Plus, you can take the three cylinder from a Wartburg and transplant it into a Trabant 601, which makes a hybrid called a "Traburg". Seeing as the Trabant is the epitome of cool in an automobile, that makes it's bigger cousin somewhat cool as well. #uglycars
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    Plasma X promoted this comment Jim-Bob was starred Jim-Bob was unstarred
    Image of Plasma X Plasma X
    11/04/09

    @Jim-Bob:

    First of all: <3

    Second of all: ?

    I haven't seen anything specifically about Wartburgs having Duroplast bodies, only Trabants. They COULD be Duroplast though.

    Still, another thing to add to ze list...

    6.) Traburgs. A three-cylinder engine is swapped INTO a car rather than OUT OF it. Who does that!? And when does it result in such an awkward name!? #uglycars
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    Image of Jim-Bob Jim-Bob
    11/04/09

    @Plasma X: Well, when you are upgrading from a 27hp 600cc 2 cylinder, it's a bit of an improvement. (I bet the Stazi had more than one of these hybrids running around to chase down dissidents.) The odd thing is, IIRC, the Wartburg is water cooled while the Trabi was air cooled. Again, I could be wrong, but I think the Wartburg engine looks a bit like a 2 stroke SAAB engine and probably uses similar technology. I know that the Trabi uses engine technology that was native to Auto Union in the pre war period, I believe from the DKW division. (Auto Union= Audi, DKW, Horch, and I forget the fourth ring.) Sorry I can't be more specific on the Wartburg, but my knowledge is mainly of Trabants as they are one of my all time favorite cars. If I was wealthy, I would import a few so I could keep one running stock and build one hybrid using parts available on a small, US market car. Anyone for a Trabant with the AWD from a CRV, and a CRVTEC hybrid (B20 CRV engine with B series VTEC head swap) and a turbo? THere is already a kit to do it to a Mini, so I figured it would be cooler in a Trabant. After all, Trabants make everything cooler. #uglycars
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    11/04/09

    @Jim-Bob: Another cool thing is that it does seem that both SAAB and Wartburg used a DKW 2 stroke design when they built their engines, so I am right about that. Another cool thing both cars have is that the transmission freewheels if you take your foot off the gas for better economy. Also, is it just me, or does the front end remind you of a Lancia Fulvia Zagato?
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    Plasma X promoted this comment Edited by Jim-Bob at 11/04/09 12:46 AM Jim-Bob was starred Jim-Bob was unstarred
    Image of Plasma X Plasma X
    11/04/09


    @Jim-Bob: The resemblance... #uglycars
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    Plasma X was starred Plasma X was unstarred
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    11/04/09


    @Plasma X: ...is eerie. I see what you're saying, but it's only in the front fascia.
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    Edited by Plasma X at 11/04/09 1:04 AM Plasma X was starred Plasma X was unstarred
    Image of Jim-Bob Jim-Bob
    11/04/09

    @Plasma X: Well, I was only looking at the fascia. They are two completely different cars in purpose, so they only share the one similarity. Plus, the Lancia has a V4 under the hood, another oddball engine configuration shared with SAAB... (SAAB replaced the DKW L3 2 stroke with Ford Taunus V4's in the 70's.)
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    brandegee promoted this comment Edited by Jim-Bob at 11/04/09 4:00 AM Jim-Bob was starred Jim-Bob was unstarred
    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/04/09

    @Jim-Bob: This is officially my favorite thread on the whole post. 3 degrees from Saab 2-stroke to Lancia Fulvia Zagato. #uglycars
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    Thanks Ben! These people are fools, although the Bricklin and the Prowler firmly belong there IMHO. But I know you had to include them just to make it a top-ten, so I shan't argue. #uglycars
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List

    How can he include the Lightburn Zeta? Everyone knows the Lightburn Zeta Sports was the ugly one! #uglycars
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    Image of buffcoat and beaver buffcoat and beaver
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List

    Some of the cars on their list actually are pretty damn ugly. That said, can anyone with a straight face say that an El Camino is uglier than this? #uglycars
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    Ben Wojdyla promoted this comment buffcoat and beaver was starred buffcoat and beaver was unstarred
    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/03/09

    @buffcoat and beaver: Nope, that's an ugly car, and I said as much, but they said every car wearing the nameplate is ugly, and that kind of transgression will not stand. #uglycars
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    Image of Old Grimey Old Grimey
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    The Nissan S-Cargo is the only one that belongs on this list IMHO.

    The Tata Nano is strange yet appealing, the Ferrari Enzo is very bold yet nicely proportioned, and one of this young century's most desirable cars, and the Plymouth Prowler is nice to look at, but would have benefited from a V8 or even a turbo'd four or V6.

    The Lamborghini LM002 is an acquired taste for sure, but a fast and comfy one at that, the DeLorean DMC12 is easily one of the Malaise era's best designs, the best car to come out of Northern Ireland save the Crossle Formula Ford race cars, and was engineered in part by Colin Chapman, and the Subaru Brat is what washed the rancid tastes of 360 and FF1 out of Americans' mouths in the 70s and went on to make Subaru a household name.

    The Aston Martin Lagonda is not for everyone in many ways, but is a stellar alternative to a Rolls or Bentley, the Volvo 240 is reliable, safe, comfortable, makes a great first car (or LeMons racer) and lasts nearly forever, the Bricklin was dramatic and had proven mechanicals, but was the answer to a question no one asked, and the El Camino was and is a great design and ideal for someone who needs or wants a truck but doesn't want a full-size rig or even a compact.

    Oh, and a financial magazine should NEVER write anything about cars. It's just not their field of expertise. #uglycars
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    11/03/09

    @Old Grimey: A hearty "huzzah" for your rant from the back benches, sir. #uglycars
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    Image of Old Grimey Old Grimey
    11/03/09

    @Alfisted: Thank you. And a Brefas Scotch goes to you for your great comment. (goes to liquor cabinet, finds Brefas Scotch, opens bottle, grabs glass, pours scotch, and hands drink to Alfisted) #uglycars
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    I'm afraid All those cars have been well justified in being on that list.

    Now I could understand that the ordering was off. #uglycars
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    Image of Scrubcakes Scrubcakes
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List

    Holy crap, the toyota van #uglycars
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    11/03/09

    @Scrubcakes: That is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. #uglycars
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/03/09

    @A strolling player: Wasn't that a line in a Toyota Previa commercial? Seriously, I think it was. #uglycars
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    11/03/09

    @brandegee: If it wasn't, it should be. #uglycars
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    Image of Nurburgringer Nurburgringer
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    and Ferrari Modial owners everywhere share a feeling of confused omission #uglycars
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    11/03/09

    @Nurburgringer: Show me a Ferrari Modial owner and I'll show you a dreamer. #uglycars
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/03/09

    @brandegee: Mondial, Mondial, Mondial. Write that 200 times on the blackboard, the two of you. With an N, please. #uglycars
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    Image of duurtlang duurtlang
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    Can't we create our own top 50 of ugliest cars, in a F-you BusinessWeek kind of way? Let us jalops suggest some cars, combine them in a list, and let everyone vote for their 10 (least) favorite. My suggestions are in my earlier post: [jalopnik.com]

    Another idea: Create a top xx of journalistic screwups about cars. #uglycars
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    brandegee promoted this comment duurtlang was starred duurtlang was unstarred
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    11/03/09

    @duurtlang: Yes.

    Ugliest cars:
    1) Post-1995 Toyota Camry
    2) Post-1995 Honda Accord
    3) Post-1995 Ford Taurus
    etc. #uglycars
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    11/03/09

    In reply to Ten Vehicles That Don't Belong On BuisnessWeek's 50 Ugliest Cars List
    BuisnessWeek just made my list of Time Magazine. #uglycars
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