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    BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
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    Image of Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing
    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    Based on the thumbnail of the leading photo, my first thought was "man, that's one big ugly battery bolted onto the roof...!"
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    06/22/09

    @Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing: Christen Wimmer is really good a graffiti too
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    06/22/09

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    06/22/09

    @franzouse: MMhhhh... let's try that again: if it fails, my apologies to everyone
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    06/22/09

    @franzouse: Well done.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    06/22/09

    @franzouse: Excellent. I think you could place Lexus SUV hybrid in the open area at left, and Mercedes SL in the one at right.
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    06/22/09

    @Alfisted: What goes at the top? Tesla?
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    06/22/09

    @Ambiguously Unfunny Serial Killer: @Alfisted: Merci Gentlemen.
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    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    It has an enormous schnozz.
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    Image of Rock517 Rock517
    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    I sooo fucking tired of luxo-hybrids like this. They are truely some of the most pointless applications of hybrid techonology, aside from the future hybrid Ferraris and Lambos.
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    Image of Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp
    06/22/09

    @Rock517: I still like the idea of the once-rumored electric Rolls Royce-- that actually would make a lot of sense, in a way. Even a Volt-like series hybrid would be practical, because one could waft around town in near silence, as well as being smug as all hell.
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    You know the folks at BMW are so conflicted over this.
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    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    "Just when I thought you couldn't possibly by any SMUGGER . . . you go and do something like this, and TOTALLY redeem yourself."
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    06/22/09

    @GasGuzzler: :D


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    @Rock517: "
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    06/22/09

    @Rock517: FUCK!


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    06/22/09

    @Rock517: The third time is always the charm.
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    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    Christian Wimmer, your inbox is about to be filled with comments about zombies, hookers, dragons, and things that will buff right out.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    Can prick and smug coexist or is it a zero sum game? If you are 25% smug can you be 85% prick? Or would you have to be 75% prick? So, if this will make someone 75% smug, would they still be able to be 85% prick or would their prickness go to 25%?
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    06/22/09

    @engineerd hates hydrogen leaks: I think the Venn diagram of the two is just one circle.
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    06/22/09

    @engineerd hates hydrogen leaks: I thought this was just the pricks adding smug to their repertoire of annoying behavior.
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    06/22/09

    @engineerd hates hydrogen leaks: What a stumper. I don't think mathematics of any sort can help figure this out. Like the Trinity, this requires faith. I think, becuase it is a BMW, a dispensation of sorts can be called for, allowing the driver to be both 100% smug and 100% prick.
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    06/22/09

    @engineerd hates hydrogen leaks: When you mix prick with smug, you get a guy who still cuts into your lane on the freeway without using his blinker, but he does it at 50mph to maximize fuel economy, thus ensuring a collision.
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    06/22/09

    @engineerd hates hydrogen leaks: You are overthinking this, it's obviously a sliding scale.
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    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    For a hybrid, I thought the lettering was required to be green.
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    06/22/09

    @Flathead Smith: That is correct. And the logo should include some sort of leaf or tree.
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    06/22/09

    @combat chuck: Speaking of which, I saw a guy on the road yesterday who had tacked a hybrid badge from a Ford Escape onto his early 90's Ranger. It made me laugh.
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    06/22/09

    @combat chuck: 90s Rangers that were flex-fuel capable had a silly leaf badge on them from the factory:
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    06/22/09

    @CaptMatt15 is high on 9000 rpm: OOORRRR...the dude Chuck saw just really, really wants to score with the fuzzy-legged chicks.


    But yes, your explanation is more plausible.

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    Image of anthony6151 anthony6151
    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    Why do people buy these? It's so expensive and the amount of money you save at the pumps is no where near the amount you spent on upgrading to a hybrid version. If you want good MPG then get a Diesel.
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    06/22/09

    @anthony6151: Smug factor.
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    06/22/09

    @Ambiguously Unfunny Serial Killer: Unholy amounts of torque?
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    06/22/09

    @SirNotAppearing: AMG.
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    06/22/09

    @Ambiguously Unfunny Serial Killer: This thing will be 3 hp shy of 600. And with a gain in economy.
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    06/22/09

    @SirNotAppearing: 407 HP and 442 lb-ft of torque isn't even close to 525 hp and 465 lb-ft from the S63. And, fuck economy.
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    06/22/09

    @Ambiguously Unfunny Serial Killer: According to the article, the engine has 442 lb-ft of torque, and the motor contributes another 155.
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    06/22/09

    @SirNotAppearing: Fuck my reading skills. Alright, it still can't touch the AMG V12. That thing is on a whole 'nother planet.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    06/22/09

    @SirNotAppearing: Peak power from IC engines and electric motors cannot be added directly, they make peak power in different places, so predicting total output is kind of a fools game.
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    06/22/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: So, I win? Yes!
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    06/22/09

    @Ambiguously Unfunny Serial Killer: Fine, I concede. Stupid AMG. /kicks rocks
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    06/22/09

    @SirNotAppearing: Chalk one up for the German Sledgehammers.
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    06/22/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: I thought electric motors had flat torque curves (oxymoron, I know). Am I wrong?
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    Image of Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp
    06/22/09

    @GreenN_Gold: Well, electric motors make peak torque at 0rpm, and less at extremely high revs, to make a long story short.


    The idea in a car like this is to provide low-end grunt, as well as not pissing away gas when you're trolling around in a parking lot, for example. You don't need 500hp or whatever to do that.

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    06/22/09

    @TV's Paul Y.: I question your parking skills, sir.
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    06/22/09

    @KTown_WhiteBoy: You sir, have rendered unto me a good chuckle.
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    Image of Airbag Airbag
    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    The new 7 Series is terrible anyways, why bother.


    To the heap with it.

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    Image of Flagrant German Fanboy Flagrant German Fanboy
    06/22/09

    @Airbag: No kidding, they're like an aircraft carrier. Even the venerable 3-series is a soupy-handling, sloppy-shifting, slowboating tub now.
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    06/22/09

    @Flagrant German Fanboy: Your fanboy status has been revoked for admitting any flaw in the object of which you are a fan. You now are simply "Flagrant German."
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    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    Now their hydrogen prototype, I liked. Yes, I can actually get interested in that fuel type due to the amount of power a hydrogen engine/hybrid drive could theoretically produce. Plus, water as a byproduct? Pretty cool.


    ... but this? Way to cave in to the bandwagon, BMW.

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    06/22/09

    @Flagrant German Fanboy: I think they are looking for a little green cred as well as boost fuel economy in the short term to meet the new CAFE and European standards. Hydrogen is a great fuel (it can even be used in slightly modified IC engines), but there is no infrastructure for it thus making it a much longer term (if ever) alternative.
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    06/22/09

    @engineerd hates hydrogen leaks: The last time the Germans had a great hydrogen-based vehicle anywhere near me (in NJ) it didn't work out that well...
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    Image of Skunky Skunky
    06/22/09

    @1wish2fish: I see what you did there.
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    Image of Buster Brew Buster Brew
    06/22/09

    @Flagrant German Fanboy: BMW helped develop this 2 mode system with Mercedes (then Daimler/Chrysler) and Government Motors (then General Motors. This is their version. I wish they had produced the X3 version using a diesel engine and the two mode system instead. I guess this gives the something to throw up against the oh so smug Lexus LS Hybrid. The Hydrogen 7 is a nice concept, but until Hydrogen can be produced without consuming more than it's energy equivalent in fossil fuel, it is not practical.
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    06/22/09

    @Buster Brew: It can be done, right now, where I live... hydro electric plant... or solar... or wind.
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    06/22/09

    In reply to BMW 7-Series Hybrid Engineers Very Bad At Camouflage
    It's in German? How am I ever going to figure out what it is now?
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