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Unrest In Detroit Spurs Auto Show Protest
Detroit, 7:26 PM
Fri Dec 4
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It straps to the roof of your car, upside-down, and is propelled and steered with a paddle.
If we can live with that, so can they.
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My distaste for Detroit is growing on a daily basis. How long before the government takes over and they all start building hybrid-powered Morris Marinas?
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I might not be happy with it, but it beats flipping burgers for $7 an hour.
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Bristol board, Crayola Markers and most of their warm clothing - Made in China
Sign Posts (various broom handles and hockey sticks) - Made in Mexico
Upgraded alloy sign posts - Made in Korea
Microphone and Amplifier - Made in Japan
The Hoops are on Fire - Some Wicked Five Alarm Chili Made in Brazil
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This globalization we've all been gobbling up IS a downward movement for the US. There is no way around it, globablization leads towards parity of all countries in wages, etc. Work all moves to "low cost" sources, where it gradually rises until it moves to the new "low cost" source. This means standards of living across the world come towards an equilibrium. If you happen to live in a place with some of the best standards (ie the US), globalization decreases the standard.
There needs to be things created in this country, more than just passing money (banking) around to "create" wealth. At some point there will be nothing but service industry and money passing, at this time where will the general public create wealth to pay for services, or pass around?
01/13/09
It's better if you're in a specialized technical field with a stable market. I know my engineering job isn't necessarily safe forever, but it'll be safe for a long time.
Yes, we need industry, but that industry needs to be based on jobs that can't be easily outsourced (or automated) in order to be sustainable.
01/13/09
1) Automotive assembly isn't "unskilled labor". After ~30 years, how do the Mexican assembly plants measure up to the US variety? The Chinese just started ~15 yrs ago...
B) "I know my engineering job isn't necessarily safe forever, but it'll be safe for a long time." As someone recently displaced, I'd advise you to revise your belief.
01/13/09
Not saying it's impossible, but having seen the caliber of students coming into grad school out of IIT or Shanghai, my job isn't going to them any time soon. Their education systems don't encourage innovation, they create highly skilled robots. Honestly, my biggest concern is Germany or Israel.
@rlj676-new job, same problems: When I say "unskilled labor", I'm not talking about a tech who programs a Fanuc. I'm talking about the guy doing a task that doesn't require more than a high school degree and a week or two of training.
The more replaceable you are, the more likely you'll be replaced by the next cheapest option.
01/13/09
I make a good living at $12.50 an hour. An excellent living in fact. The UAW says autoworkers should be paid more than twice that? For what? My job requires creativity, flexibility, and the willingness to respond as needed 24/7 - which I do. How difficult is it to be a lineworker? And regardless of how difficult it is, how come the offshore brands can get the same level of labor for less?
I think it's time we admit to ourselves the UAW is a parasite on both labor and management.
01/13/09
I agree with you on everything. On one side note, though, other countries like China and Mexico can get away with much lower labor costs as a result of having next to nothing in the way of labor laws.
Putting the union out of our misery will go a long way to helping our situation, but it still doesn't address the issue discrepancies in US labor laws vs. global labor laws.
01/13/09
As to discrepancies between US labor laws and global labor laws, I tend to believe that a lot of the other nations have a long way to go before they catch up to us. Even without unions, American workers have a lot of protection in place for them. Those other manufacturers can capitalize on the difference, but still they cut so many corners you're hard-pressed to find American buyers looking for their products. Do YOU know any Americans actively hoping to buy a Chinese car?
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You don't want unions, why don't you move to the Soviet Union!
01/13/09
That is quite possibly the most nonsensical comment I have ever read on this site.
01/13/09
Asshattery to previously unseen heights.
01/13/09
I'm fairly certain that he was trying to be sarcastic and not necessarily an asshat, but I just cannot make head or tail or the sardonic humor he is trying to communicate.
01/13/09
I think he may be serious.
01/13/09
[jalopnik.com] - Man you guys hate the American worker.
[jalopnik.com] - Nice to see the anti-worker card...Marx and Lenin would be so proud of you.
01/13/09
I just can't work out the logic he's working with here. He's calling non-union people (traditionally identified as conservatives) "pinkos" (traditionally identified as liberals) to move to the Soviet Union (a non-existent entity).
I'm with Iron-Balls McGinty here; the apparent logic bomb/fallacy is about to make my head asplode.
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Note to the dude in the pic. Don't incorporate "Golden Shower" into signage outside of porn. As soon as someone says "I don't understand your sign," you have to explain a golden shower fetish to them. At that point they think you are some weird dude who likes to get peed on, and that you think trickle down economics is a good thing.
01/13/09
If many involved (not just the UAW) had understood that self-interest and selfishness are two different concepts that bring about two different ends, we would be looking at a much brighter future for the big 2.8.
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Feel that on your leg, American consumer? That's not rain!