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    White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    Whataya know... actually a good idea.
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    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    I, for one, welcome our new Federal pound-Wagner-in-the-ass overlord.
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    Image of Starlton Heston's Revenge Starlton Heston's Revenge
    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    I'll admit to being too busy to read up on all of the talks around this but...


    Did anyone ever mention: "HEY, how bout we pair up standards with the EU and make it all so much more happier for everyone? Senator I know you'd like a sweet Mondeo and the wife would love a better looking Merc Wagon and in considering the younger generation, om Bronx de Mowgli just needs himself a Diesel Audi.. and the kids want their 09 Focus RS!!!"

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    12/10/08

    @om Bronx de Mowgli:


    Yes, gearhead42 did above.


    Oh, you meant someone with the power to make this heard?


    I haven't heard it asked for.


    And to that end, I've emailed my idea in to just add a string to the TARP money, that 10% or so has to be used for liquidity for American industry. That WAS the point of the whole financial bailout, to prevent further crisis. Clearly that's worked out well.

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    12/10/08

    @rlj676-new job, same problems:


    I apologize I scrolled right past his statement, but yes I was asking about the "powers that be"... I'll properly add on to his "thread"


    SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST

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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    hopefully Bankruptcy Lite is better than Miller Lite
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    Image of AiDonWaiKit AiDonWaiKit
    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    I actually like Senator Shelby's idea of killing the UAW completely, even if it's a crazy, sneaky way of doing it. The UAW is completely unnecessary nowadays, b/c labor laws are much more stringent than they were in the past. I'm completely biased on this as well, b/c as an engineer, it's annoying to see someone who just glues carpeting to the floor pan of a car getting paid more than me.


    Don't get me wrong...disband the UAW completely, and re-hire all those peeps, but pay them a lot less. If they don't like it, then they should go get a degree and quit their whining.

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    12/10/08

    @AiDonWaiKit: I don't share your attitude but I do share your conclusion: The UAW has to go.


    The problem is that some, if not many, of the existing factories are in states where the factory owner does not have the right to say, "You do not have the right to join a union" to their employees. That's why so many foreign automakers (perhaps all?) who build factories in the U.S. build them in the south, where such laws do not exist.

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    12/10/08

    @Bumblebee: That, and cheaper labor, lower cost of living, cheaper land, better incentives offered by the hosting cities, and so on.
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    12/10/08

    @joshman - chasing that star: And these days, concentration of skill sets and access to year-round, decent quality infrastructure (rail and road)
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    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    From that picture, I assumed he was starting his speech by describing how he shouldn't have eaten breakfast burritos this morning when he knew he had a big press conference scheduled.
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    12/10/08

    @acarr260: I was thinking a good caption for this image would be: "Sir, I believe you are confusing me with a shit sandwich when actually I am a giant douche."
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    12/11/08

    @Brian B: Note to self: in the future it is best to lower the eyebrow while asking for money...
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    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    That's not Screech, that's Horschack!


    Back then:

    And now:

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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantraâ„¢
    12/10/08

    @The Name's Ash78, Housewares: yikes, he does not happen to drive around in a white ecoline does he?
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    Image of Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage! Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage!
    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    I demand that a provision to the bill be the adoption of european crash and emissions standards.


    Hey look, lack of efficient and desireable vehicles solved.


    Signed, The "Gearhead_42 Wants a Focus RS" PAC

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    12/10/08

    @Gearhead_42:


    You know no beuracracy like the US gov't would do something so reasonable and instantly beneficial.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    12/10/08

    @rlj676-new job, same problems: Exactly! That would make sense and stuff...
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    12/10/08

    @Gearhead_42: I concur. Thought Wagoner would maybe mention it since Maximum Lutz was waving that banner a little while ago...


    Just makes damn sense. EU/NA standards parity would be pretty easy to come to, especially with a Car Czar in place, that's a good thing for that person to oversee, so no one can cry about their single digit MPG SUV sales and muck it all up over that.

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    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    I'll say in defense of Richard Shelby that our in-state automakers have NOT lobbied one minute (or dime) against the domestic bailout, at least according to local news articles. In fact, many of our Tier 1 and Tier 2 suppliers do a lot of business with Detroit, so even if Hyundai/Honda/Mercedes/Toyota might want their competition to fail, they definitely don't want their suppliers to close up shop.
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    12/10/08

    @The Name's Ash78, Housewares: Maybe they should be lobbying their own Senator to accept the bill.
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    12/10/08

    @Ray Wert: Well, there is the whole competitive issue...I think that's why their riding the fence on the whole thing. Either way, there's some benefit and some drawback for them.
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    12/10/08

    @The Name's Ash78, Housewares: "They're"


    /homophonophobic

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    12/10/08

    @The Name's Ash78, Housewares: In the current bailout fatigue atmosphere, I suspect the non-domestics are drinking gallons of shut up juice lest the electorate notice their sweetheart deals with state governments. No sense in poking the bear with a short stick.
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    Image of DannyBN DannyBN
    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    By the way, is there any provision in this bill to forcibly cancel the Sebring?
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    12/10/08

    @DannyBN:


    See, what's funny is everyone knows that car is crap, but I swear I know a girl who just bought one, and LOVES it, and talks about Ford's having crappy interior's etc.


    I don't know what the moral is, but its crazy.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    12/10/08

    @rlj676-new job, same problems: On the bright side, you now know who never to mate with.
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    12/10/08

    In reply to White House Loan Deal For Not-So-Big Three Is "Bankruptcy Lite"
    Hey is that Screech from Saved by the bell? How did he get a job like that.
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    Image of DannyBN DannyBN
    12/10/08

    @layabout met the real Santa: His porn gig didn't pan out, apparently.
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    12/10/08

    @DannyBN: Does that mean that the $15 billion loan comes with a "Dirty Sanchez" provision?
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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    12/10/08

    @layabout met the real Santa: Here in America, we gladly elect journeymen thespians to positions of political power....Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Fred Grandy, Clint Eastwood, Jesse Ventura. We see a celebrity, and dammit we crave their leadership.


    I, for one, look forward to the reign of Emperor Screech.

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    Image of DannyBN DannyBN
    12/10/08

    @graverobber- My Yugo Nova!: I have no idea if any highly-polluting Mexican plants will be affected by this.


    That's what you meant, right?

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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    12/10/08

    @DannyBN: Yes. That is exactly what I meant.
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