Those tires look like they're dangerously close to the bodywork. Is there zero suspension travel on this thing? Is it like an old Citroen DS resting on its haunches when shut off?
As much as I like it, matte black is just about played out. The guys who spec this on expensive supercars are doing it wrong. So to that end, the first tuner shop / customer that goes with "matte gray" or "matte salmon" should win some sort of eternal recognition. Like a lifetime supply of Plastikote with underwriting sponsored by Bondo. And a 2nd-gen G-body so-adorned.
@Goingincirclez: My old 1990 Civic with the neglected paint ended up being "matte white".
I wonder how hard it is match the finish on a matte-black car if a spot repaint is needed. I would think the slightest variation in paint texture would stick out like a sore thumb. While I don't know an awful lot about auto finishes, I do know that in expensive pianos, a scratch in a matte black finish is almost impossible to repair invisibly. Gloss finishes are much easier to fix, simply because you can polish the repair to a matching high gloss.
@Goingincirclez: X2. Unfortunately I think we're still at the front of the trend/curve/fad here for matte finishes. Tuners trying to differentiate their cars from the herd will latch on to this abomination and beat it to death.
I laughed out loud after reading Super Moose's comment - I had a '75 M/C in high school that had primer black & red on it - no blower though :(
@tonyola: Thunderbeater II has a Matte Fade-to-white-from-black finish on the hood (owing more to a piss-poor repaint than anything else), but it suits the car's personality, and is worth a few Jalop Points I think.
Having not yet seen one up close, I'm with you on wondering just how tuner matte finishes are maintained. A matte surface is provided by imperfections in the surface texture; these imperfections typically would trap all sorts of grime and dust and be a royal PITA to clean. And as you pointed out, doing a paint-match for a repair would necessitate not only a simple color match, but "texture match" as well. A standard paint finishing process removes imperfections and thus provides a gloss finish.
I really should research this, it's actually an interesting problem once you think about it. There must be a surprisingly simple solution.
@Goingincirclez: Matte black is not a trend. That's been a basic look since the Model T and has continued up through rat rods and serious runners. It's subtle; it's an understatement, it's saying the car's design carries it, not just shiny distracting paint. It's for a certain kind of car. One might equally argue shiny things are for packrats, crows, jackdaws, babies and bowerbirds. Shiny things are high maintenance. Shiny things attract sharks. Shiny things tell your enemies where you are. Shiny things notoriously attract idiots like moths to a flame. Shiny things are never stealthy.
Expensive old things have a patina; cheap new things are shiny.
Matte black is not "played out."
A GT-R is not old, therefore it does not qualify for a patina. It is expensive, and therefore should not poseur with Model T paint. "R" badges and exclusive bodywork and quantity do not equate stealth, for these things bring attention. Stealth is the primer/bondo zubaz worn by the beater that just blew your doors off.
Carrying the design? Yes, I agree with you there: matte can really bring the subtle beauty out.
But let's have some imagination. Black, as you so eloquently stated above (and I really agree with you), is a proper state of being that, as the Marines say, needs to be earned, not given.
These new tuner rides can use all the matte they can get cheap by the crate. But try something other than black for the change.
Or buy the shiny GT-R, and through proper hoonage, Jalop TLC, or the passage of time through which legends are carved in stone, allow it to earn its matte-black credentials the proper way.
@Goingincirclez: I was a color/tech rep for a major auto paint company for 4 years. Some matte finishes are a singlestage, some are actually using matted clear coats over the color to achieve the same look. Even if you use the same exact product used at the factory, differences in application technique (robot vs. human or spray technique or even matching climate conditions) always present matching issues. In order to repair and match gloss and texture, blending the new repair and fading the new paint/clear over a larger area will be needed, and that's not really a new issue. Thats body shop 101. So, if you have a paint guy who knows what he's doing, a match should not be hard to achieve. Metallics and pearls colors can complicate things even more.
No one sinlge formula ever matches every variation that comes from factory. And thats why paint repairs require skill. Although, it could help to ask the AVUS Performance what specific brand and product of paint they use for this GTR.
Hope that helps.
One huge issue with the GTR's was matching that sivler that came out originally. It was applied with an electro static system that basically no body shop can reproduce because they dont have the electro static robotic system used at the factory.
@duder00: My uncle worked at Ford his whole life; and when he purchased vehicles from them he always checked with the paint guys first to figure out when they had a really great batch because there was so much variation, even in the "same" color from batch to batch.
I still just don't like this car visually. I think it's the resemblance to the 350Z, sort of like how the Pontiac/Holden GTO looked a lot like the Chevy Cavalier from certain angles.
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This thing looks like Serious Business.
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Also, Porsche would like "NOT STOCK" Written in a large god awful font across the windshield.
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Because the GT-R hasn't already fallen off the radar of douchebag car buyers.
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I still prefer my matte-blue concept better
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I'm not a huge fan of matte paint jobs. I thought the gold matte was kinda pretty, but I like your blue better.
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I wonder how hard it is match the finish on a matte-black car if a spot repaint is needed. I would think the slightest variation in paint texture would stick out like a sore thumb. While I don't know an awful lot about auto finishes, I do know that in expensive pianos, a scratch in a matte black finish is almost impossible to repair invisibly. Gloss finishes are much easier to fix, simply because you can polish the repair to a matching high gloss.
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I laughed out loud after reading Super Moose's comment - I had a '75 M/C in high school that had primer black & red on it - no blower though :(
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Having not yet seen one up close, I'm with you on wondering just how tuner matte finishes are maintained. A matte surface is provided by imperfections in the surface texture; these imperfections typically would trap all sorts of grime and dust and be a royal PITA to clean. And as you pointed out, doing a paint-match for a repair would necessitate not only a simple color match, but "texture match" as well. A standard paint finishing process removes imperfections and thus provides a gloss finish.
I really should research this, it's actually an interesting problem once you think about it. There must be a surprisingly simple solution.
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Expensive old things have a patina; cheap new things are shiny.
Matte black is not "played out."
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A GT-R is not old, therefore it does not qualify for a patina. It is expensive, and therefore should not poseur with Model T paint. "R" badges and exclusive bodywork and quantity do not equate stealth, for these things bring attention. Stealth is the primer/bondo zubaz worn by the beater that just blew your doors off.
Carrying the design? Yes, I agree with you there: matte can really bring the subtle beauty out.
But let's have some imagination. Black, as you so eloquently stated above (and I really agree with you), is a proper state of being that, as the Marines say, needs to be earned, not given.
These new tuner rides can use all the matte they can get cheap by the crate. But try something other than black for the change.
Or buy the shiny GT-R, and through proper hoonage, Jalop TLC, or the passage of time through which legends are carved in stone, allow it to earn its matte-black credentials the proper way.
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No one sinlge formula ever matches every variation that comes from factory. And thats why paint repairs require skill. Although, it could help to ask the AVUS Performance what specific brand and product of paint they use for this GTR.
Hope that helps.
One huge issue with the GTR's was matching that sivler that came out originally. It was applied with an electro static system that basically no body shop can reproduce because they dont have the electro static robotic system used at the factory.
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I maintain my respect and adoration for all new cars with matte finish, and I wish more mainstream cars had it as a choice.
I mean, the Home Despot has house paint in every kind of sheen imaginable...why can't you get an Accord in eggshell?
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For what I assume is a steep asking price for what are rather mild modifications, they couldn't have had some wheels made with custom backspacing?
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FML
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