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    Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    12/31/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    The rules for 2009 state that some variety of head-restraint system (such as a HANS device) will be mandatory. I have some mixed feelings on this- as has been said before, the cost of this race figures out to a bare minimum of three or four thousand dollars, and those HANS devices aren't cheap. The race we ran at CMP (LeMons South) was a very clean race with minimal contact, and speeds were pretty low- I know we never cracked 75mph, and I doubt even the fastest cars ever touched the century mark. With roll cages, 5 point harnesses, and helmets already required, the HANS device doesn't seem to add much. I guess it boils down to, if teams want to run with them, good for them, but making them mandatory only pushes LeMons unnecessarily further close to the "racing I can't afford" realm.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/31/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    It needs to be said, lads, that for living my personal dream, and accepting any personal risks involved all in the name of good clean fun and friendly sportsmanlike racing where nobody gives two shits about who wins or loses, and teams are only too willing to jump in and help one another, the LeMons racers are my own personal heroes-of-the-week. I'm proud of you all, and eternally grateful to Murilee and Jalopnik for providing coverage of the races. Very glad to hear everyone's alright.
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    Image of Bumblebee Bumblebee
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    Since I know the driver was OK, I can totally laugh at the non sequitur roof-mounted missile slowly cruise by in the background.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    12/30/08

    @Bumblebee:


    I agree, though. I laughed. Maybe I shouldn't have, but I did.

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    12/30/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: Oh, cock.


    This is your image.


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    12/31/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: It took me a few looks to figure it out. Where do I get a set of those missiles and a helium tank?
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    12/31/08

    @Mike the Dog: They used to be available on [www.missileballoon.com] but they seem to have dropped off the earth now.
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    Image of Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    I thought Audis with unintended acceleration only collided with strip mall nail and hair salons, and dry cleaners. The driver wasn't in search of a blue-rinse and a set, were they...?
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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    12/31/08

    @Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing: it was the 5000, not the 4000.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    OMG! They killed TIMMAY's ride!
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    Image of Mojonaut Mojonaut
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    The stewards took their sweet time....
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    Image of Gaseous Clay Gaseous Clay
    12/30/08

    @Mojonaut: under 40 seconds, not bad..
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    12/31/08

    @Gaseous Clay: @Gaseous Clay: They were standing around scratching their arses for most of that time, clearly. One guy sauntering up and shouting into the cabin when everyone else is strolling around wondering where to get their doughnut fix does not good stewarding make!
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    12/31/08

    @Mojonaut: Actually, the safety truck was there very quickly.


    I'm unfamiliar with the layout of Thunderhill, but if the corner workers are stationed cross-track there's a good possibility that the responder is just off camera waiting for traffic to clear to get to the car.


    As the clip shows, there were quite a few competitors that passed by at that point. And slowly, which suggests one corner worker had quickly thrown the yellow.


    The clip seems to end just as the response is beginning, so I'll reserve judgment. It just didn't look like poor stewarding to me.

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    Image of Vassago Vassago
    12/31/08

    @SundaySunday: The yellows came out seconds after the impact so I'd say corner worker speed was good. The response vehicle was stationed at the end of the straight but facing the opposite direction. They did a 3-pt turn and then quickly back down the straight to the accident. There were other people walking slowly up to the car off camera that got in the way of the truck which is why you hear them hit the horn to clear a path. The impact was enough to move the wall so they also had a large forklift come out and fix that. Even that thing arrived reasonably quickly and I don't even know where that was stationed. Somewhere way off track. All I know is right as that car hit the wall myself and a group of others were screaming in to the radios "PIT! PIT! PIT!" since we knew it would be a long yellow or hopefully full course black.
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    12/31/08

    @Vassago: I've been fortunate that I've only had a few incidents to run to and none of them as bad looking as this one. As a corner worker, I've had a couple cars that went off cross-track from my station. Let me tell you, it gets your heart rate up knowing you have to respond but having to wait for the cars to clear your station.


    Again, I'm glad no one was hurt & my respect for the Lemons organizer's commitment to safety is way up after reading this.

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    That's exactly how crashes are supposed to happen. Good show, everyone.
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    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    Glad to see everybody's all right. Good to see the other drivers slowed right down in that area, too. Hat tip to the safety workers!
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    Image of FlakJack FlakJack
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    Ugh. I so hate the sound of car-meets-stationary-object. Glad no one was hurt.
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    Image of philibuster philibuster
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    It looks like the roll cage added to the structural integrity of the passenger compartment. I wonder if I could build a roll cage for my car...
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    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    12/30/08

    @philibuster: Yes, but then you need to wear a helmet while driving, so you don't bonk your dome into the cruel steel in a fender-bender.
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    Image of Foo2rama Foo2rama
    12/30/08

    @philibuster:

    roll cages are not for the street, unless you want to wear a helmet on the street.
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    12/30/08

    @Foo2rama: It's not too far from my normal routine...
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/31/08

    @philibuster: Yes, but if you're like many of our fellow commenters, you wear that helmet because your mom won't let you leave the house without it. *cough*Didorosi*cough*
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    12/31/08

    @Deartháir and his eight little drained beers: Stop picking on Diddles.
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    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    Wall 1

    Audi 0
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/31/08

    @☠Grяrяrяrяrяrяrя. Another year older and deeper in debt.: Life safety equipment 100


    Fixed it for you.

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    Image of TheDanMan,Prefers Kilowatts to Horsepower TheDanMan,Prefers Kilowatts to Horsepower
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    Motorsport is dangerous kids.


    How much is a HANS device again?


    Still looks like awesome fun. Can I be the Bernie Eccelstone of Lemons? You know negotiate the TV rights on behalf of the teams for mega dollars. Just asking because if F1 and this were on TV at the same time I would be hard pressed to choose which one to watch.

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    12/30/08

    @TheDanMan Is drinking beer in the hot sun..: "How much is a HANS device again?" Couple hundred bucks, but since it sits outside the suit it wouldn't be totally disgusting to share one amongst the team like a race suit or helmet would be.


    "if F1 and this were on TV at the same time I would be hard pressed to choose which one to watch."

    I wouldn't. Watch LeMons, download F1... simple solution.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/30/08

    In reply to Why All That Expensive Safety Equipment Is Required At The 24 Hours Of LeMons: Audi Versus Wall
    That'll buff right out?
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