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    The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!

    For The First Time, Chief Perp Lamm Claims A LeMons Car For 500 Bucks!

    Wienerschmoker E30 Gets Shiny Side Down, Brings Arse Freeze Rollover Total To Three

    V8olvo Gets Upside-Down, Roof Barely Dented: Volvo Bricks As Sturdy As Advertised!

    And The Other Winner Is...

    And The Winner Is...

    Italian Cars Totally Reliable At Arse Freeze, Just About Everything Else Blows Up

    More British Leyland Carnage: Spinout-Happy TR7 T-Boned By V8olvo

    Killer Bee MGB Wipes Out, Gets Rolled Into Ball Of British Leyland Scrap

    Day One In The Books, Germans Dominate Top Five

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    Image of Rupunzell Rupunzell
    11/29/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    One of the great fruits of the LeMons racing tree is proving just how good a manufactures stock product offering really is. Darwinism has evolved the field of cars at LeMons to favor brands and models that can actually survive the mechanical brutality of LeMons racing.

    It has also separating cars that are solid, race worthy cars from cars those that have been made desierable by advertising and marketing (Win on Sunday, sell on Monday).

    A look at what cars tends to do well at LeMons and what cars do not says much about their actual content rather than advertising mirage of quality and race worthiness.

    Mazda, Toyota, BMW have proven to be worthy LeMons race cars, while many of the cars sold by marketing via racing like the Datsun/Nissan 'Z' cars have not always fared well at LeMons.

    There is strong proof based on LeMons race results that British Leyland products and Brit cars as a group don't do well at LeMons which is counter to the belief among many older car folks that Brit sports cars are race worthy as delivered off the show room floor. If there was anything British Leyland did well in the USA car market was sell their cars via racing and create a facade of sports cars anyone can take racing straight off the show room floor.

    Yank Tanks are a mixed bag, it seems some FORDs do great while GM products tend to soldier on until something big happens.. LeMons needs more Chrysler products at every race.

    Honda's tend to spit head gaskets and con rods...but the ones that stay together are serious, fast competitors.

    Then we have Italian cars.. It is a widely believed and held truth that pasta burners are fragile, un-reliable and slow... As more Italian cars have been raced at LeMons, Alfas and some FIATs have proven to be tough, reliable and fast competitors.. This is counter to the wide and deeply held belief Italian cars are mechanically challenged and not worth preserving.. Another example of reality -vs-marketing..
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    Murilee Martin promoted this comment Rupunzell was starred Rupunzell was unstarred
    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/29/09

    @Rupunzell: British and Italian cars have done much better in LeMons, overall, than many makes. The handful of LeMons MGs have been quite reliable, and even the TR7s have performed better than anyone expected (i.e., they made it off the trailer). Mitsubishi, Audi, Subaru, and Saab all have horrible LeMons reliability records. The Chevy Camaro, front-wheel-drive Toyota Celica, and any non-RWD Chrysler product: all terrible.

    The most reliable LeMons cars, as I keep trying to explain to the teams that claim they "just want to race all weekend," are the Ford Crown Victoria P71 and the Volvo 240. Anything made by Mazda has a pretty good chance of finishing.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    What a great field!
    But you have to love those two ancient MoPars--
    For some reason it reminds of this:

    Two MoPars, both alike in dignity,
    In fair NoCal we lay our scene
    From ancient grudge break to new mutiny--
    Our two hours traffic on the stage.

    Wait.
    This might be a tale told by an idiot!
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    Image of Adamskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiy Adamskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiy
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    Awesome gallery....who had the fastest lap? I've looked through a good bit of them and the #60 Crown Vic was the fastest I saw at 2:15.
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    Novaload promoted this comment Adamskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiy was starred Adamskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiy was unstarred
    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/29/09

    @Adamskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiy: That's the fastest lap that isn't the result of an obvious transponder glitch.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    11/28/09

    In reply to V8olvo Gets Upside-Down, Roof Barely Dented: Volvo Bricks As Sturdy As Advertised!
    I stand on my roof on a regular basis. This doesn't surprise me at all.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    Basically, almost four black flags per car. Something more than three an hour. Given that I'm sure some teams didn't get any, there's a lot of bonehead driving, contact, and off-course excursions happening.

    Still, it's nice to see another golden age of Alfa Romeo's developing in front of our eyes.
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    Image of Armand Armand
    11/28/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: On the first day, I was the guy in charge of telling the penalty box who had been black-flagged. It was pretty brutal. Even if you don't count the dozens of black flags that were given for transponder problems or mechanical issues (one of the corner workers was pretty freaked out when he saw the Caddy's brake discs glowing red) there was a lot of boneheaded driving. Too much contact, too much passing under yellow, too much spinning and going off track. It was annoying.
    Then, on the second day, I got to race. After ten laps, I became shrouded in the Red Mist, overcooked Turn 14 and slid the car into the dirt. After that, it was a little harder to get so indignant about other drivers making bad decisions.
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    Image of Fredrikkk Fredrikkk
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    Jesus christ, how many Lemons races are there?!
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    Novaload promoted this comment Fredrikkk was starred Fredrikkk was unstarred
    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/28/09

    @Fredrikkk: Not enough. There's never enough.
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    Image of CraigSu CraigSu
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    Having now seen something actually resembling a 928 shooting brake (no.74), I want one now more than ever.
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    Novaload promoted this comment CraigSu was starred CraigSu was unstarred
    Image of morcheeba morcheeba
    11/28/09

    @CraigSu: That's the one that caught my eye, too! Ah, 928 estate and bill the cat - brings back memories of high school.

    This was before the internet, so I saw it in a coffee table book. I loved the 928, but not that version of it. Now, with a little maturity, I can appreciate it much better!
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    Image of joneez wants the clunkers he paid for joneez wants the clunkers he paid for
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    I'm sure you could have bolted Michael Bay's entire film crew to the Belvedere without any serious effect on the handling.
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment joneez wants the clunkers he paid for was starred joneez wants the clunkers he paid for was unstarred
    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    I also think we'll see more SUVs in 2010. I used to work at the Linden assembly plant where they built the S-10 chassis SUVs. I test drove a few 2 door blazers and with the 4.3 they were damn quick; a few even came with 5 speeds. Lower the suspension and shed a few hundred pounds of superfluousness and you'd have an interesting contender.
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    11/28/09

    @mechimike: I wouldn't count out a few more minivans, too.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    152 Cars. Holy Christmas.

    I think the dearth of Detroit iron was due to the location of the race. Everyone knows the BBQ-eatin', moonshine-swillin', Southern Discomfort will be packing some good ole American muscle*. The California races, though, tend to bring out more imports from the tooty-fruity left-coasters.

    *Except for me, I'll be driving a Volvo.
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    Image of BRAWNDO_POWERED BRAWNDO_POWERED
    11/28/09

    @mechimike:
    I fear there will be a rather sub-par field of racers at the Blagojevich 500. You'd think salt was free the way they throw it everywhere.
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    Image of AlienProbe AlienProbe
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    #150 Wow, I would love to know what went into a silly little Nissan Sentra to warrant 150 penalty laps!

    I gotta hand it to them... if they decked that thing out with performance parts, a sentra like that is a pretty unsuspecting car that could have snuck by the judges.

    "The sentra proves that Justice is not blind." -Confucius
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    Murilee Martin promoted this comment AlienProbe was starred AlienProbe was unstarred
    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/28/09

    @AlienProbe: It's an SE-R with radioactive suspension.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/28/09

    @Murilee Martin: LOL! So now the judges will have to carry Geiger counters.
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    Image of günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi
    11/28/09

    In reply to The Top 152 Lemons Of The 24 Hours Of LeMons Arse Freeze-A-Palooza 2009!
    umm murilee... you sure that the 2010 season is over? isn't it the end of 2009?
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    günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi was starred günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi was unstarred
    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/28/09

    @günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi: Aw crap. Will fix.
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    Image of günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi
    11/28/09

    @Murilee Martin: no worries, i figured it was just a typo. thought i'd let you know

    on the other hand... i thought that it might be one more quirk to the LeMons series... much like cars... have the season be named for the next year rather than the year it's available in...??
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    Edited by günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi at 11/28/09 11:47 AM günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi was starred günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi was unstarred
    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/28/09

    @günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi: Actually it's November 28, 2010. Where have you been? What's the last thing you remember? Dude, you've lost a year!
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    Image of günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi
    11/30/09

    @Novaload: well sonuvabitch... NOT AGAIN!!
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/30/09

    @günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi: LOL!
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    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/24/09

    In reply to For The First Time, Chief Perp Lamm Claims A LeMons Car For 500 Bucks!
    Here's an excerpt from a statement from Team Diplomatic Immunity on the LeMons forums:

    "On a side note, I've seen some comments from a few folks thinking that Jay was being a jerk, or being greedy when he claimed the car. This was not the case at all - we made it clear to him early on that we were fine with a claim. For various reason it was already a forgone conclusion that this would be the ONLY race for this car and we did not want to tow the 5200lb beast back to San Diego. I was more than happy to receive $500 for the car and leave it at the track. We prefer to run our usual V12 Jaguar at Lemons anyway - compared to the S600 it is fast, nimble, light and reliable.

    The President of Paraguay informs me that he'll redistribute 10% of the claim money to his people and blow the rest in Vegas before he returns to his home country."
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    Edited by Murilee Martin at 11/24/09 4:37 PM Murilee Martin was starred Murilee Martin was unstarred
    Image of eggwich del fiero eggwich del fiero
    11/23/09

    In reply to For The First Time, Chief Perp Lamm Claims A LeMons Car For 500 Bucks!
    I understand the claim rule is there to discourage cheating, but if I put hundreds of hours into building my race car (I didn't), the claimant would be displeased to discover the inside of the car covered in a thin, milky layer of diahrrea beer schittz. Cuz I'm classy.
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    Image of CJinSD CJinSD
    11/23/09

    In reply to For The First Time, Chief Perp Lamm Claims A LeMons Car For 500 Bucks!
    This is not in the spirit of the claimer rule. This car had zero penalty laps. It was not a purpose built race car. It was a $500 car with an expensive roll cage that was completely in the spirit of the event. Jay Lamm is an opportunistic fill in the blank.
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    Murilee Martin promoted this comment CJinSD was starred CJinSD was unstarred
    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/23/09

    @CJinSD: As Jay says, "Don't like it? Start your own race!"
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    Image of CJinSD CJinSD
    11/23/09

    @Murilee Martin: The golden rule might be a good rule, but it isn't the only rule.
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