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    "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG

    So, What's It Gonna Take To Get You Into A New TT RS Today, Mr. Governator?

    Eco-Driving Promoted By Automakers, Governator

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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    Isn't that about what the US army's hybrid H1 got many years ago?


    Neat vehicle too - it had a motor in each wheel and could reverse one side to turn like a turret... I don't remember much else about it other than that since it was probably >5 years ago, but it made about double the regular mileage of a Hummer.

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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    In other news, even if the weather report says 80% chance or rain, it may actually rain.


    Seriously, like any of us thought 100mpg was plausible in a hummer.

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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    Maybe we just need to switch the damn metric, already. Something that's universal among power sources, because then we can get on with the real business: arguing about the best power source!


    Miles per joule/watt?

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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    04/20/09

    @Ash78: Ummm...


    Joule/watt = joules / (joules/sec) = seconds.


    Miles per joule/watt = miles/second.


    Methinks if you're measuring in miles/second you're not going to be running very efficiently...unless you're running a fusion reactor at full-clip, in which case you'd be getting C joules for every kg of mass, which is quite a bit.

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    04/20/09

    @Ash78: I'm still backing the killer wasps standard.
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    Image of maximum-sienna maximum-sienna
    04/20/09

    @Ash78: Seriously, I would agree with you, but then 95% of the population would ask, "What's a joule?" To be honest, I think the best way of doing this would just be $/mile. However, it would be a floating target, so even that has problems.
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    04/21/09

    @maximum-sienna: No make it an area graph, like a torque curve...


    So it would just go from 1mi to the range of a fully topped off H3, and graph the instantaneous mpg should you stop at that mileage...


    whoa...


    I need to stop...

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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    They should advertise it as 100 mpg equivalent, when operating solely from batteries, previously charged by grid electricity. Not a bad number for a Hummer. Neither is 33 mpg when the batteries have depleted and the 4 cylinder kicks in - assuming that's accurate. 33 mpg sounds more like extended milages in mixed traffic that permits the gas engine to recharge the batteries when under light loads.


    Still no reason for anyone to buy a Hummer.

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    Image of tripl3fast tripl3fast
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    So take the most vilified vehicial and make it eco whatever and grab the media headlines to what end? Pure tabloid engineering if you ask me.
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    04/21/09

    @tripl3fast: Doesn't the Russian mafia own Hummer now?
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    Image of Jon Jon
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    My dad used to have a 32 foot Winnebago. It had a big Chevy V8. It had an MPG gauge on the dash. We, too, could make the Winnie peg the MPG gauge at 20mpg. Easy.


    Just find a hill.


    Does that mean that the big Winnie should be advertised as getting 20mpg? No.


    For a short period of time, going down a hill with your foot off the gas, it got 20mpg. Same with this: for a brief period of time, with your electric motor propelling you, you get 100mpg. But as soon as you start using the energy directly off the generator, you're not getting 100mpg anymore.


    Should this be marketed as getting 100mpg? No.

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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    04/20/09

    @Jon: Truer words never graced Jalopnik.


    O wait, my comment was pretty true. Almost as true.


    What a subjective argument I've started...

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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    Electric hummer. Sounds like a sex toy.
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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    This just in:


    Sham-wow doesn't actually absorb liquid like a sponge!


    Oxi-Clean doesn't get clothes whiter than white!


    Mighty Putty doesn't hold an elephant to your celing!


    Cash 4 gold doesn't really give you cash 4 yur gld!


    Maybe we should get Billy Blanks and good'ol "hooker slapping" Vince Shlomi to advertise this.


    "This is your old pal Billy and my new friend Vince here to tell you about an amaaazzzing new vehicle, the Electric Hummer H3!! You can get a hummer, slap the ho, then run her over with the Hummer. ALL while getting 100mpg! HOLY F*CK!"

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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    04/20/09

    @Duke Sound Vtechen of Sleepenburg: Its made by Americans. Americans always make good stuff.
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    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    I've just got the best idea.


    I'm going to buy a Hummer, (apparently they're inexpensive now, who knew?) let half the air out of the tires, constantly tow a trailer with the A/C on full blast and idle at all times instead of turning it off.


    Why? Fuck, why do we do anything?

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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    04/20/09

    @wrx-TyrannosaurusWrx:


    You'd still best my 11 mpg daily driver, unless your trailer is 10K lbs.

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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    04/20/09

    @rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: What do you drive? A Gallardo?


    haha

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    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    Thanks for saving me the trouble of driving all the way to Detroit to call shenanigans on this. It set my BS detector off in a big way when you reported it before. It's good to know that I don't have to get the thing recalibrated.
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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    But if 95% of all trips in the vehicle are indeed 60 miles or less, then the long-term average mpg IS a lot closer to 100 than 33, right? (assuming it's plugged in every night)
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    04/20/09

    @Ash78:


    I'd say that's correct.


    If it never kicks on the ICE, then it's just 100 mpg by whatever conversion factor they use I'm assuming.


    Also, is the 33 mpg at steady state once the battery is depleted? I doubt it, and assume it is factoring in the charge. Like, if you charge it and go through one tank of gas, the total avg is 33 mpg.

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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    04/20/09

    @rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: Ditto, same question. It sounds like 33mpg is the asymtote line itself, so your mpg would look more like this (ballpark):


    first 100 miles: 90 mpg
    first 200 miles: 80 mpg
    first 300 miles: 65 mpg
    first 400 miles: 45 mpg
    first 500 miles: 38 mpg
    first 600 miles: 36 mpg


    theoretically bottoming out at 33mpg at some point. That's how it worked in my brain, considering it's a 4-pot Ecotec running the show.

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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    04/20/09

    @Ash78: To be honest, a 33mpg H3 is more impressive than a "100mpg" H3.


    Remember: max torque at 0 rpm.

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    04/20/09

    @ThreeLitre: That's a big problem, alright.. But it's their problem, not yours.
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    Image of Maxichamp Maxichamp
    04/20/09

    In reply to "100 MPG" Electric Hummer H3 Doesn't Actually Get 100 MPG
    Why can't people just drive a smaller diesel car? Problem solved!
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    04/20/09

    @Maxichamp: No, no. You NEED a Hummer to protect your children, and tow that boat you might buy some day.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    04/20/09

    @Maxichamp: BECAUSE LARGER IS SAFER AND IF YOU TRY TO CONFUSE ME WITH "FACTS" I'LL JUST YELL LOUDER TO DROWN YOU OUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. BESIDES, DRIVING A SMALL BUILDING MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO EXERCISE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING. Also because diesel particulate emissions standards in the US mean additional exhaust emissions equipment and more stringent fuel standards which lead to higher fuel prices and no real cost savings (as I understand it).
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    Image of nataku8_e30 nataku8_e30
    04/20/09

    @Maxichamp: I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like to drive big vehicles - I own a Miata, an E30, 2 bikes and a Saturn station wagon for my utilitarian needs. I hate having giant vehicles on the road that block my visibility, and make my cars even less safe than they would ordinarily be with just small cars on the road. Plus, most SUV drivers I've seen are particularly aggressive and have difficulty controlling their vehicles, or keeping them within lane lines.


    Having said all of that, this past Saturday, I REALLY wished I had a Hummer H3. Southeast Houston saw record rains - my area was about 9", which resulted in some pretty severe flash flooding in my neighborhood. I had to ditch my Saturn wagon about half a mile from home, in an parking lot that was on fairly high ground, and walk the rest of the way with my g/f and my perishable groceries. We ended up crossing some streams, which used to be streets, that were up to about my knees, and in a few spots had fairly swift moving currents. We finally made it back, dried off, and put away the groceries. About a half hour later I saw one of my neighbors drive by in his stock looking H3. True, I still didn't want an H3, because they're kind of crap (g/f's sister has one, it's been in the shop A LOT), but a 4x4 pickup for emergencies, or heavy hauling and towing, sure would be nice. I still wouldn't drive something like this on a daily basis, but it'd be nice to have.

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    Image of GasGuzzler GasGuzzler
    04/20/09

    @nataku83: Yep, I really enjoyed plowing through the flooded streets of Houston on Saturday as all the clowns in their Hondas and Toyotas sat on the side of the road.


    Trucks > all.

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    04/20/09

    @Mike the Dog will work for a Preview Button!: I'll stick to my Tahoe after seeing those Smart car crash test results last week. My particular favorite was the one versus the MBZ C-class where the whole fucking Smart car launched about 3 or 4 feet in the air.


    Noooooooooo thank you!

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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    04/20/09

    @GasGuzzler: Being in Texas < having a stroke.


    I drive a lowered FWD econobox with all-season tires in ski country, yet somehow I see trucks in ditches more than anything else. Imagine that.

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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    04/20/09

    @golferal - has no need for a snarky screen name: If you actually watch the video, the passenger cabin of the Smart remains intact (the door even opens normally afterward although the video doesn't show it).


    @zeeboid: Larger is only safer for the brain-dead dweeb behind the wheel trying to ride herd on three kids while applying makeup, checking e-mail, text messaging and eating a hamburger. I prefer to pay attention to the task at hand while driving a slightly more maneuverable vehicle.

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    03/06/09

    In reply to So, What's It Gonna Take To Get You Into A New TT RS Today, Mr. Governator?
    What every former bodybuilder longs for...

    the Audi TT 'Roid Special.
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    Image of Jagvar Jagvar
    03/06/09

    In reply to So, What's It Gonna Take To Get You Into A New TT RS Today, Mr. Governator?
    He was supposed to speak at the NADA Convention in San Francisco last year, but cancelled last minute because of an "emergency fundraiser." Isn't that the same excuse the governor used in the movie Super Troopers? Way to be original, Arnold.


    But it's nice to see him actually showing up for something.

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    03/06/09

    @Jagvar: Something that took place in Geneva, of course. Not California.
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    03/06/09

    In reply to So, What's It Gonna Take To Get You Into A New TT RS Today, Mr. Governator?
    Better-
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