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    Opel Not Too Big to Fail?

    Safe Happens? Thieves Steal Plans From VW For German Chancellor Merkel's Armored Whip

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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    Opel is in a heap of trouble? Did Joe Higgins move to Europe or something?
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    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    Here we see the political infighting between the brands reaching a tipping point. Who cares what is good for the whole? Perhaps only the US Government. I can't believe I am writing this.
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    03/05/09

    @Tiberiuswise - now with 20% more sarcasm.: Go Ford!
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    03/05/09

    @Tiberiuswise - now with 20% more sarcasm.: Go AMC!
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    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    Germany doesn't want to give Opel money because they know it will end up in the USA. Europe has learned its lesson with the whole banking/lending crap that the US created.
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    03/05/09

    @sos10: Germany is not just another run down part of the eastern bloc because of the United States.


    So you are blaming European banking practices on the US? If the US jumped off a bridge, would Europe follow?

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    03/05/09

    @jbownsabmw: Yes, like any economist in Europe does.

    We were all blinded by greed, but the core of the problem is the US.

    And yes, European banks were starting to jump of the bridge, thankfully some didn't and Europe did learn a lesson here, that's why the US has lost their economic supremacy for good.
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    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    Opel would be a good fit, especially for BMW - niching in between Mini and the Rondel brand. Mercedes could also pick them up and use them as a stepping brand to the three-pointed star cars.


    Of course this supposition does not bode well for Vauxhall.

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    03/05/09

    @Graverobber:


    Mercedes could also pick them up and use them as a stepping brand to the three-pointed star cars.


    And make Opel the next Chrysler?

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    03/05/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: Yeah, but I think it would be different in Der Fadder Land as they most likely have more compatible corporate cultures. With Daimler/Chrysler, I think the Germans were appalled by the Americans attitudes toward product and practice.
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    03/05/09

    @Graverobber: And BMW could go back to making proper BMWs.
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    03/05/09

    @MDMAtheSentiments: ...rather than crossovers.
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    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    Opel and Saab should spin off together and end the GM madness in Europe. Gm has taken two fine companies and rode them right into the shitter.
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    03/05/09

    @X3SoB: Problem is the Swedes and the Germans now have a very contentious relationship with each other.


    GM's been holding them together like Tito held Yugoslavia together...


    And we know what happened to Yugoslavia in the '90s.

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    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    I will miss the Astra Xtreme...


    [www.youtube.com]


    I remember the first time I drove abroad. It was in an Opel Astra. Much better looking car than the US Cobalt. Also, the brakes work ok. I found this out when I realized not every road in Germany is the Autobahn.

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    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    I bet that pic is a float from the Berlin Sex Parade.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/05/09

    @Ash78: Or a Formula 1 parade.
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    03/05/09

    @engineerd thinks cannoli is deserving of a star: ...as a tribute to Max Moseley?
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    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    To Germany, Opel may not be "system critical". It is GM Germany, not Mercedes, BMW or Porsche. This is tantamount to Toyota North America asking the US Government for a loan, isn't it?


    I know Opel started as an independent company, but it has been GM since the '20s, so in reality it is more GM than independent.

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    03/05/09

    @engineerd thinks cannoli is deserving of a star: and Opel has been in trouble for some time now. It is not related to the credit crisis.
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    Image of Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978 Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978
    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    Considering that Opel is at the heart of many of GM's good US products right now, I wonder how that will pan out on this side of the pond. Think they'll keep some co-development arrangements? I can't see it working any other way.
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    03/05/09

    @Ash78:


    Despite the fact that many good Opel vehicles have been brought over here, those platforms were not generally developed by Opel itself, but rather by GM Corporate. They were just too slow to bring them over here.


    I don't think that it will be a huge issue to GM from a product standpoint, and I would be surprised if Opel didn't continue to tap GM products and expertise for a while after "spinning off", just as Saab would.


    On a side note, didn't RLJ mention that a lot of the reason behind this move was to qualify them for loans from foreign governments, and had less to do with actually becoming independent from GM?

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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    A picture is worth a thousand words.


    In this case a picture is worth years of therapy and deep seeded shame.

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    03/05/09

    @aSoundofSleep hates work: Reduces Jalop time: Max Mosley approves.
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    03/05/09

    @aSoundofSleep hates work: Reduces Jalop time: Speak for yourself...
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/05/09

    In reply to Opel Not Too Big to Fail?
    Opel employs almost half of General Motors Europe's 55,600 workers. When you consider the entire industry around the operation, its failure would threaten close to half a million jobs.


    If this is true, then it would strike me as being somewhat "system critical", no?


    BTW-that picture is downright scary.

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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    03/05/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: I've seen worse.
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    03/05/09

    @Syrax, star dealer: Wow. And they say Hillary is cold bitch.
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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    03/05/09

    @Syrax, star dealer: Oh, that Bush family diplomatic style....



    + Watch video




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    03/05/09

    @Syrax, star dealer: You can take the boy out of the Frat, but you can't take the Frat out of the boy.
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    03/05/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: In honor of your Hillary reference and Peter's tasteful photographic choice, I give you the funniest and possibly most disturbing magazine cover EVER!
    Please note: Scroggzilla happens to be a damned, dirty, un-American, liberal humanist.....with a sick, sick sense of humor.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/05/09

    @Graverobber:


    I dunno, I think he just wanted to see if their was any truth to those asian "little guy" rumors.

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    03/05/09

    @Scroggzilla: Words fail me.
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    03/05/09

    @Scroggzilla: I need new eyes.
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    03/05/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: @engineerd thinks cannoli is deserving of a star: Ha Ha..I scarred you for-ev-er!
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    03/05/09

    @Scroggzilla:


    I'll get you for this, Gadget!

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    03/05/09

    @engineerd thinks cannoli is deserving of a star: I'm starting to bleach mine right now. I can save half the bottle if you want.
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    03/05/09

    @Syrax, star dealer: Thanks. I'm going to need it. Do you have a scrub brush or should I bring my own? Maybe some steel wool?
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    03/05/09

    @engineerd thinks cannoli is deserving of a star: Real men use Mace.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    03/05/09

    @Scroggzilla: I hate you.
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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    03/05/09

    @Scroggzilla:
    /googles girls and cups to quickly forget magazine image
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    03/05/09

    @Scroggzilla:

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