I take offense, Miss Martin, on your highly inaccurate stereotyping of libertarians as nerds. I consider myself a "small 'l'" libertarian, and I like to think I'd be one of those Hilux-driving warlords in the great utopian future you describe!
As on old geezer sprung form two railroad grandfathers, trains always preferred freight to people--way more money. To this day, and throughout my life, Amtrak has become as inconvenient as possible (Yes, the train leaves at 4:30 a.m....) and routes have shrunk.
It was like a game of Clue to figure out where the train would be at what time and some stations are only "stop on demand"--oh, and in DC, they take off the fast engines and put on the slow ones for the Crescent (a.k.a. "Sidewinder" for its frequent derailments) and other south-bounders. But it's still cost competitive against driving and flying--like 80 bucks from Richmond VA to New Haven CT. I would gladly take a commuter train to my job--except there isn't one.
My European friends are always shocked that a country this size has so little rail service.
Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I-I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.
@Bailout: The government pays for roads with dollars from motorists. The government pays for air travel with dollars from motorists. The government pays for trains with dollars from motorists.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things makes sense.
Motorists pay for the roads on which they travel through on-road fuel taxes and tolls.
Air travel and railways actually cost the traveler less than the cost involved in operation.
The war is about ideology, not oil. Regardless of how ruthless the dictator is in any oil producing country, if we keep paying for the oil, they'll keep sending it over. Starting a war is counter productive, capitalistically.
@smalleyxb122: Are you saying the federal highway system is fully funded by gas taxes? Or what are you saying? And other roads, state highways, county roads, city streets?? All paid by motorists?
A quick look at Wikipedia (admittedly, not the best source) indicates that the interstate highway system is not fully funded by gas taxes but relies on general government revenues as well.
You seem to be indicating that not only is it completely paid by motorists, but that motorists also fund rail and air?
Do you have a source for that information supporting your statements?
@Mr. Moto: Excluding the gas tax question, EVERYBODY uses our road network, even if they're in the small minority who only walk, bike or take the bus. Therefore, the taxes everyone pays go to support the roads, plus to support rail and air systems used by far fewer people.
@Mr. Moto: It's difficult to get a precise answer to your question since most records don't break revenue and expenditures down sufficiently. From a records keeping perspective, not all of highway spending comes from taxes and tolls, but neither does all revenue from taxes and tolls go toward highway spending. (some of it is itemized as subsidies for public transit).
Roughly speaking, most years, the total revenue would be about equal to highway spending if you take Highway patrol out of the equation.
However, records wise, the revenue falls short, and is subsidized primarily by property taxes (presumably by those businesses and residences that benefit from the roadway)
The taxes from fuel are mostly reserved for transportation, and most of that goes toward roadways, but officially, some goes toward public transit.
Most statistical data supports the perception that fuel taxes equate to a near net-zero use tax.
Back to your citing Wikipedia: I have no real issues with what is stated there, but while it mentions generous public funding, (what I assume you are referring to), it ignores that the vast majority of those public funds are from fuel tax (which is mostly earmarked specifically for transportation spending).
@scottcom36 has Weekday DT's, Weekend OD's: Well stated. I almost had a very similar sentiment in my long winded response. Mine was poorly worded in comparison, so I'm glad that I removed it before submission.
@Bailout: This isn't a blanket condemnation of government subsidies for transportation, or even rail transportation. It's a condemnation of subsidies for Amtrak.
@Murilee Martin: The problem, really, is that Amtrak is subsidized either too much, or not nearly enough. It either needs to be taken out back and shot, then replaced with something that works, or have enough money thrown at it to rebuild exclusive passenger train tracks and replace routes that were ripped out long ago. People don't use Amtrak, because its slow, but its slow because they have to share the rails with freight trains in most places. People don't use it because its expensive, but its expensive because its very low volume, as they don't have routes in places people want.
@Bailout: I wouldn't call using tax dollars for road maintenance subsides. A better example is the bridge to nowhere. It was a bridge that was only built to help a few people, and the was only possible do to government funding.
In my opinion, rail needs to be fast, efficent and most importantly, run by people who are NOT tied down by the the government looking over their shoulder. Because me, when the government gets involved in the world of business, things never turn out well.
Well on a train, I met a dame She's kinda handsome, we kinda look the same She was pretty, from Chelsea city I'm walkin down that old fair lane I'm in heat, I'm in love But her Honda Fit couldn't go I said train kept a-rolloing all night long train kept a-rolling all night long train kept a-rolling all night long train kept a-rolling all night long With a "heave" and a "ho", that little Fit wouldn't go!
It's easy to get your car stuck on the tracks if you suck at driving.
You drive up over a berm-type crossing. You misjudge the "landing" on the other side and a wheel drops off between the pavement and the tracks. It's like a 2'-3' no-man's land. With an open diff, you just sit there spinning a wheel in midair. Part of why it's hard to judge the angle is because the steep breakover provides zero visibility.
I've seen this happen and helped the person get out of the situation. I may or may not be married to this person today.
@Ash78: The above events occurred in black and white. Ash78 rushes up, saves future Mrs. Ash, makes a clever comment (naturally), receives a slap to the face, then kisses future Mrs. Ash passionately. Roll credits.
@wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: Yep. I actually prefer my significant other NOT share a lot of my interests, as long as we have similar principles/goals/outlook. Less fodder for petty arguments.
Also, there's a reason why she has AWD with electronic wizardy now. Shhhhhh.
07/06/09
One does make money moving freight! - CSX Exec ???
I would love to see monorails to/from towns. But that isn't profitable...
07/05/09
Except I drive a Dodge.
07/04/09
It was like a game of Clue to figure out where the train would be at what time and some stations are only "stop on demand"--oh, and in DC, they take off the fast engines and put on the slow ones for the Crescent (a.k.a. "Sidewinder" for its frequent derailments) and other south-bounders. But it's still cost competitive against driving and flying--like 80 bucks from Richmond VA to New Haven CT. I would gladly take a commuter train to my job--except there isn't one.
My European friends are always shocked that a country this size has so little rail service.
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07/04/09
Who do you think pays for roads?
Who do you think who pays for war in the middle east to keep the oil coming?
But trains aren't in style. So THAT mode of transportation alone should stop receiving subsidies.
07/04/09
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things makes sense.
Motorists pay for the roads on which they travel through on-road fuel taxes and tolls.
Air travel and railways actually cost the traveler less than the cost involved in operation.
The war is about ideology, not oil. Regardless of how ruthless the dictator is in any oil producing country, if we keep paying for the oil, they'll keep sending it over. Starting a war is counter productive, capitalistically.
07/04/09
A quick look at Wikipedia (admittedly, not the best source) indicates that the interstate highway system is not fully funded by gas taxes but relies on general government revenues as well.
You seem to be indicating that not only is it completely paid by motorists, but that motorists also fund rail and air?
Do you have a source for that information supporting your statements?
Just interested in knowing one way or another.
07/04/09
07/04/09
Roughly speaking, most years, the total revenue would be about equal to highway spending if you take Highway patrol out of the equation.
However, records wise, the revenue falls short, and is subsidized primarily by property taxes (presumably by those businesses and residences that benefit from the roadway)
The taxes from fuel are mostly reserved for transportation, and most of that goes toward roadways, but officially, some goes toward public transit.
Most statistical data supports the perception that fuel taxes equate to a near net-zero use tax.
Back to your citing Wikipedia: I have no real issues with what is stated there, but while it mentions generous public funding, (what I assume you are referring to), it ignores that the vast majority of those public funds are from fuel tax (which is mostly earmarked specifically for transportation spending).
So, I guess the answer is yes and no.
07/04/09
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07/04/09
In my opinion, rail needs to be fast, efficent and most importantly, run by people who are NOT tied down by the the government looking over their shoulder. Because me, when the government gets involved in the world of business, things never turn out well.
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03/18/09
Will a purple rose be placed on the hood during the Fit's eulogy?
/stupid reference needing local Chelsea knowledge
03/18/09
She's kinda handsome, we kinda look the same
She was pretty, from Chelsea city
I'm walkin down that old fair lane
I'm in heat, I'm in love
But her Honda Fit couldn't go
I said train kept a-rolloing all night long
train kept a-rolling all night long
train kept a-rolling all night long
train kept a-rolling all night long
With a "heave" and a "ho", that little Fit wouldn't go!
03/18/09
03/18/09
03/18/09
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03/18/09
You drive up over a berm-type crossing. You misjudge the "landing" on the other side and a wheel drops off between the pavement and the tracks. It's like a 2'-3' no-man's land. With an open diff, you just sit there spinning a wheel in midair. Part of why it's hard to judge the angle is because the steep breakover provides zero visibility.
I've seen this happen and helped the person get out of the situation. I may or may not be married to this person today.
03/18/09
03/18/09
What kind of car was the future Mrs. Ash driving? I wouldn't like to think the regal Ash married a car commoner.
03/18/09
Also, there's a reason why she has AWD with electronic wizardy now. Shhhhhh.
03/18/09
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