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Uhm dumb shit, the Ambulance is an emergency vehicle. Not to mention when you run up on a vehicle at 100 mph, and they have a car next to them, they cannot pull to the side..
This man is not a cop, he is a disgrace.
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Cop is a total asshole. Didn't bother to turn his sirens on when chasing the guy down either which is one big gripe I have with cops:
Either you are in pursuit, with sirens on and going faster than the posted speed, or you are driving with sirens off at the posted speed. I've seen plenty of cops weaving through traffic, no signal, no siren, no lights 20 mph faster than the traffic. It's dangerous, pricks.
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And an E-M-T can still be beat
When he fails to give the right of waaaayyyy!
Yeeow! Aye-yip-aye-yo-ee-ay!
We're only sayin'
You're gettin' fined, Oklahoma!
Oklahoma O.K.!
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Thanks a lot.
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I've always thought that the AC/DC song Highway to Hell would make a perfect recruiting theme for the CHP. All it needs is some minor changes to the lyrics and. . .
Living easy, living free
Speeding tickets are what I write
Pull 'em over, just like on TV
For just a broken tail light
Don't need reason, don't need rhyme
Ain't nothing I would rather do
Going down, eye-five
My friends are all coppers too
I'm on the Highway Patrol
Highway Patrol
Highway Patrol
No stop signs, speed limit
Nobody's gonna slow me down
Black and White, sit my ass in it
Nobody's gonna mess me round
Hey buddy, get out of the car
You been drinkin'? You been at a bar?
Hey momma, look at me
We can fix that ticket if you just smoke my cigar.
I'm on the Highway Patrol
Highway Patrol
Highway Patrol
(dont stop me)
Highway Patrol
And Im going down, all the way!
I'm on the Highway Patrol
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This doesn't in any way excuse the officer's behavior...but I can understand why having someone jump out of their vehicle after being pulled over would put an officer on edge
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Furthermore, being an asshole to an EMT, whether or not it was Creek Nation is bad Karma. My mom told me back when she worked at the hospital, cops were always nice to her. She also got pulled over once in her scrubs by the CHP, and they let her off with a warning. The CHP (and CA agencies in general) have the sense to know that being nice to the people that will be saving your life pays dividends... You never know if the guy you just gave a ticket is going to be the guy pulling the bullet out of you next week.
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I mean, the EMT is the one on the scene saving your ass when you've been shot. The surgeon doesn't come till later.
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Geeze, they sound like teenage boys who just figured out what that fur in between her legs is for.
For every Cop that finished first in his class, someone had to finish last.
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I will say this, though-- Laguna Beach PD hires smart cops. Very, very bright recruits and bright officers.
I can't say so much for certain other agencies.
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see racial profiling for more info...
if a guy looks like a no good bum then odds are he is a no good bum... better to pull him over for a loud muffler before then arrest him for killing someone while drunk or street racing...
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"Assault" is a legal term and nothing legally has been decided about this, Wes. In fact, laying on hands is "battery" in most places.
The ambulance was not running lights and allegedly failed to yield. It was not an emergency. The woman was treated and released. Her husband was behaving in an obnoxious manner.
Right or wrong, don't DEFY cops.
How about showing this video, to balance things a bit?
It's even more car related only the cop gets murdered by two aholes at the end.
[www.liveleak.com]
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"Right or wrong, don't DEFY cops.."
Sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, and I'm pretty sure no AMERICAN, EUROPEAN, ASIAN, AFRICAN whatever, would. No human being can be expected to take abuse from some backwoods moron with a badge and a gun, being paid by their/our own tax dollars to boot.
I don't care how many of them get shot THAT'S the profession THEY CHOSE. It doesn't give them the right to ASSAULT their fellow citizens and THAT my friend WAS and unprovoked ASSAULT. No crime was being committed, he had no lawful reason to lay his hands on that EMT.
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Especially with a patient present. If you try to defend that cop you're probably just as warped as him.
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Assault is a "swing and a miss" or other attempt and battery is a "swing and a hit" or other contact.
There are three kinds of cops-- do-gooders (the kind we need more of, and I've met a few), the letter-of-the-law stickler (the jerk who noone liked in the academy) and then there's the corrupt cop / ego power-trip cop. Fortunately I've only read stories about type number three, and never encountered one either in the academy or as a citizen.
Nova,
I've seen PLENTY of officer death videos (including listening to the final death rattles of an officer post-head shot) as his dashcam records the rest of the scenario, been through quite a bit of officer safety training and watching the vid, I gotta disagree, there was no reason for that officer to get in the EMT's face and make contact, and he's a freaking EMT... EMT's don't carry weapons, that level of force was unwarranted.
06/15/09
Come to NYC, Brooklyn specifically. There has been a breakdown in this society where cops are trained to be on the offensive and to serve the power that be as well as their own immediate interests. If you don't defend yourself against the police here using video cameras, community council meeting, news outlets, etc... you will end up screwed, locked up or dead. I don't care if you are white, black, pr, etc. People who think that the police force serves the interest of the people are deluding themselves. I am a white male with no criminal history. I am very polite and respectful and I am treated like garbage as well as many other people that I know. Minorities have it worse, obviously. I would like a year to go by without on duty uniformed cops raping a woman or shaking down my friends or turning tricks with hookers in my neighborhood. They sell drugs, take bribes and treat people like shit. I see it all the time. I could move but I love where I live and it is getting better every day, no thanks to NYPD.
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Cops are not The Hand of God.
In case no one clued you into this, there are cops who rape little teens that they pull over for insignificant 'violations' and there are cops who murder people, thinking they can easily evade justice. Just work with law enforcement for a while, and you will see crazy stupid stuff.
Civilians are NOT required to obey an illegal order, just like soldiers in war, etc. And in no case is a police officer entitled to use excessive force, especially if that leads to bodily injury of those in his charge. I don't know how many homicide investigations I worked with an officer as suspect...
Cops are people too, and some cross the line.
Simple as that.
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But even with psycho ones--or maybe even especially WITH psycho ones--the sure way to end up more majorly effed up or in jail is to argue, evade, resist. Walk away, climb back in your vehicle, do the opposite of what you're told and you can expect some action. Period. You can settle up later; call your lawyer, sue--but escalating is just stupid. You won't win.
In this case, one EMT talked quietly to the cop and the cop walked away; the other one not only refused to cooperate but when the cop put his hand on him, he shoved the cop off. This makes you an idiot; and it's a credit to the cop--who didn't "choke" him put put a hold on him to keep him still--that he de-escalated the situation and it ended ok.
How demented or stupid do you have to be to throw down with two troopers?
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I'm saying that if you do NOT cooperate you can expect worse; the way to deal with it is later, not by trying to defy the cop at the time.
Big difference. See?
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The courts decide if it's "assault" or "battery" or by whom. If you shove a cop, for any reason, good luck in court.
So you are claiming it's "assault" but that remains to be seen. But it's still a very provocative --deliberately--caption.
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A bad cop is the most evil of evil. If you want to die or get effed up, challenge a bad cop. If you want to go to jail and maybe get tased, challenge a good one.
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THAT's the point. The restraint came AFTER.
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Cops control situations; their who training is about authority and controlling situations. Ever watch "Cops"? Ever hear and see the out of control screaming and yelling and sometimes provocative behavior?
It's just like 911. People get pissed at 911 operators (not the morons--let me explain this, so nobody flips out--who are arrogant or hang up or are a-holes) -- but they are trained to be non-emotional and fact oriented. They come across as a-holes sometimes--you've just seen a tragic accident and all the person on the other end says is "I need you to calm down. I need you to calm down." The cops job is to have people quiet, not flailing their arms around, digging in pockets whatever. If he says you're under arrest and you shove him, you're confusing being acquitted later with resisting arrest, obstructing an officer etc etc.
But please, those of you who think you don't have to do what cops say, go right ahead and test that empirically. Let me know how that works out for ya.
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If a cop's harassing you like that, you do what he tells you, as long as you're not putting yourself in danger. You stay calm. And, if need be, you file a lawsuit after the incident has passed.
Fighting him in-the-moment doesn't do any good.
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So in sum, DO NOT take this shit. Ask for supervisory personnel. File a complaint.
Telling people to roll over is bad advice, old buddy.
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