This is the first time I have seen the Jay's green car segment. Comparing this to Top Gear's "Star in a Car" is like comparing two laps of the go-kart track at the Goofy Golf course to a day at a Skip Barber school.
Why this hate for a guy that tells some real facts over climate change. If I like the guy personally or not that´s not the question, I do not know him and his personal activities too well to judge.
Yes I drive a flex fuel car and yes I plant trees, because I think everybody has to contribute to stop making pressure on what nature has given us.
It´s a stupid idea to think that we can put back all the carbon into the atmosphere that was accumuated during millions of years.
@BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ: It´s a stupid idea to think that we can put back all the carbon into the atmosphere that was accumuated during millions of years.
What you're saying doesn't make any sense, but it's uncontroversial accepted knowledge that human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 levels from 280 parts per million before the Industrial Revolution to more than 380, and they continue to rise.
@skierpage: yes, get information from credable sources and you'll find it is a cycle and we are just in a trend that has gone on since the earth was created.
@jcd302: I'm sorry, but you can't expect anyone to believe you when you walk in and spell "credible" incorrectly. Not to mention you are completely and unequivocally wrong.
@skierpage: You don´t have to have an engineering degree to have the knowledge to see that the world is going to collapse if not something is done quickly. If you ever have learned to add and subtract you can calculate easily that from 100% of forests you cut 10% a year and reforest 0,5% so you won´t have much left over in few years. (find your own sources to check values) and same with fossil fuels if you burn 100% and fix back to nature any value less than 100% you can calculate how much time it takes to elevate the greengas concentration. Further I would say that all dot gov sites are not the most reliable sites in the world.
@BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ: You do realise that plants absorb CO2 and if we lowered our output of CO2 the plants could catch up a bit. Also most CO2 production is due to post industrial revolution pollution.
As far as flex fuel goes since the US is using corn based ethanol your flex fuel car is not only worse for the environment for the same size car but is actually making our dependence on foreign oil even worse too because of all the diesel needed to grow the crops and transport it as ethanol can't be piped lined due to it's more corrosive nature.
Wether you believe in global warming or not (p.s. every major scientist believes it is) we still have a dependency on foreign oil and that is a problem regardless. If you wan't to help get a small car for long commutes and keep the large car for transporting larger goods or several passengers. Nothing says that large car can't be a GTO or Shelby Mustang. Also use public transport when appropriate but depending on where you live that maybe just about impossible. Bikes are good too and they have the added benefit of making people less fat. I reckon you could lose weight by doing what Rush Limbaugh did but replacing a food addiction with a dependency on prescription pain killers while rallying against drug users isn't really the best thing to do. Yeah biking is much better.
@so I goes to the local bar, y'know, people: I personally think that politics should have no place on Jalopnik, Gawker has other sites for that. But, the commenteriat that populate this site are a petty and small bunch, and there is no depth they are unwilling to stoop to. I guess that's why I've largely stopped commenting here.
@X5SoB: I agree, despite some of my comments I would rather to see Jalopnik stay pure to car coverage and keep politics out of it. We should be arguing about Ford vs Chevy not Rush Limbaugh vs Al Gore.
I understand why Jalop-world is best unpopulated by politics.
I don't argue Ford vs. Chevy, I ask why isn't MOPAR invited to the party?
Long-distance motorcycle lists, mailing lists...y'know, way back in the Internet Middle-Ages, used to specifically state guns, religion, and politics were off-limits for discussion. Understandable, being how quickly things devolve into name-calling and wide-ranging unplesantries.
Gabeedwards01 and srbiff...if you two want to travel to the middle of nowhereland with me, y'all are going to have to live a solid hour drive away. I'm not anti-social...yet...but I'm gettin' there, which is unfortunate.
I like individual people, most times, some are inherently unlikeable, but people, as a species, need another few tens of thousands of years of evolution/education to be tolerable, en masse.
I think now that this site officially thinks Rush Limbaugh is funny, my cue to officially stop looking at articles here has come. This place has been getting rednecky for a while but I was holding out hope.
Giving this guy any airtime without calling him out on his shit is inexcusable.
@harumph: I know of a couple "Liberals" here... AND there are a few of us "common-sensers" hanging out here. Don't give up hope.
This is Jalopnik - like the Masons, we recognize that everyone has their own beliefs, but we are all here because our mutual belief in one god... the automobile.
@harumph: This place would be boring if everyone shared the same viewpoint, regardless of the topic. In the meantime, I'll just appreciate the irony of a bloated gasbag piloting an EV. Said gasbag running over a representation of another gasbag? Also funny.
@Motor_Yakuza: Speak for yourself. It's easy demonizing people you don't agree with. I would also challenge the assertion by Flathead that Al Gore isn't "sincere." If he wanted to make some real bucks and live a comfortable life he would not have crusading for policies that combat global warming. The right-wing noise machine is pretty vicious.
@DrLemming: According to public disclosure information, Gore was worth somewhere between $1 million and $2 million in 2000. Not quite eight years later, Gore is estimated to be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million.
@VeeArrrSix: I'm not certain if I understand that being wealthy and caring about the environment can't both be possible. Is he expected to donate all his earnings upon reception to prove his values? Bill Gates is very wealthy but no one challenges his philanthropic work. Perhaps having money makes moving money around easier, which can add up to bigger donations and funds to your preferred causes?
@FightingChance: Ask Al this : "You travel all over the world in jets and limos, own a houseboat, use 20 times more electricity than the average American, and stand to make a fortune that most millionaires would envy. Yet you tell Americans to downsize their lives, such as by limiting their travel, using less heat and air conditioning, and drying their clothes outside on a clothesline. Describe for us, in detail, your personal "carbon footprint."
Do as I say, not as I do.
Then ask him this "You are a partner in the venture capital firm of Kleiner-Perkins and a co-founder of the United Kingdom-based investment firm of Generation Investment Management, each of which stands to gain financially from greenhouse gas regulation. Please describe any other financial interests that you have in any other businesses that stand to profit from greenhouse gas regulation?"
And Bill Gates? AIDS actually has killed people and is not hysteria based on "models" which have been inconveniently wrong lately.
@DrLemming: You need to do some research on good ol' Al. Check where he makes his money. How large "HIS" carbon footprint is. How the companies he is partner in stand to make millions on "Greenhose Gas Regulation". These are the things he leaves out of his speaches of how "WE" need to be more green, and "WE" need to take care of the planet. As someone on here said "Do as I say, not as I do".
@VeeArrrSix: Gee, I thought it was us lefties who were supposed to be so jealous of rich people.
Hell, by watching you all, I thought you right-wingers worshipped rich people. I mean, you repeatedly vote for policies that extract money from working people's pockets and stuff it into the pockets of the super rich. After all, your big crusade these days is to ensure that ordinary Americans pay twice as much for health care as the citizens of civilized countries do, so that insurance company executives can be centi-millionaires and billionaires.
So what's with the cash money envy all of a sudden?
@wkiernan: Does changing the subject to healthcare reform and regurgitating talking points, along with labeling people as "right wingers" who are envious distract people from realizing you have no important contribution to the comments? I doubt it.
@wkiernan: wtf? It's not "money envy", it's the blatant hypocrisy that some greenies so conveniently overlook. Thought that was obvious?
If I remember the article correctly, his 10,000 sq.ft. mansion uses something like 20x the amount of electricity of the average U.S. household, and every time he flies around in his jet, he pretty much wipes out the total GHG savings that you, I, and anyone reading this blog combined could muster in 5 years.
@gabeedwards01: I'm for clean water, hydrogen powered cars, 17 year old scotch, organic produce, Camel Lights, bringing back Group B racing, and personal responsibility. I'm anti-red light camera, hate CNN/FOX/MSNBC, and love VW's almost as much as that 17 year old scotch.
@slysolstice07: You can tell when a political movement recognizes that it is losing a debate on facts and logic. That's when it focuses on character assassination. Enjoy!
@VeeArrrSix: I forgot liberals weren't allowed to ever make money. How dare he make money for talking about his political beliefs. What do you think Rush Limbaugh does for a living? All he does is make money talking about politics. Rush even said on that Jay Leno he would want to be president except he wouldn't like the pay cut.
I have problems with Rush Limbaugh but him making money isn't one of them and it shouldn't be for Gore either.
@VeeArrrSix: Gore uses electricity from a solar panel on his roof, drives a hybrid, considering all the places he is asked to travel to a private jet makes some sense and Al Gore has been advocating for the environment long before his involvement with Kleiner-Perkins and Generation Investment Management. Besides if he thinks ending global warming is the future why not have a financial vested interest in that goal.
Granted he hasn't always used a solar panel and his hybrid is a SUV but Al Gore has been advocating on the environment since the '80s and that is more than many have done.
I wonder how much this is costing Ford. It will probably cost less with each subsequent episode because I predict that Jay's ratings will tank soon enough.
I don't get the point of the streamers and ping-pong balls. The car is bright orange. The track is painted colorfully. There is no need to jazz it up for the audience at home.
@Joshman Raffles Avenue: I think the audience at home has an attention span of about 10 seconds. Without the possibility of a spectacular accident, which possibility is very low given the track they are using (as jodark describes), the only way to keep the audience's attention span is to throw in some streamers and ping-pong balls. Or boobs, I guess.
@Unregular: you obviously do not listen to Rush, only the voices and comments of others. No biggie.
bty, I prefer a Wild Turkey and vicodin cocktail to chase the pain away.
@Unregular: Pardon my drug ignorance (I didn't go to drug school like you did, Cheech), but it was my understanding that the prescription pain killers he was previously on were drugs that slowed you down and made you more relaxed and less hyper. Then again I'm probably totally wrong, as I didn't go to drug school.
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Yes I drive a flex fuel car and yes I plant trees, because I think everybody has to contribute to stop making pressure on what nature has given us.
It´s a stupid idea to think that we can put back all the carbon into the atmosphere that was accumuated during millions of years.
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What you're saying doesn't make any sense, but it's uncontroversial accepted knowledge that human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 levels from 280 parts per million before the Industrial Revolution to more than 380, and they continue to rise.
Instead of getting opinions on climate change from an entertainer, try some facts from scientists, e.g. the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
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As far as flex fuel goes since the US is using corn based ethanol your flex fuel car is not only worse for the environment for the same size car but is actually making our dependence on foreign oil even worse too because of all the diesel needed to grow the crops and transport it as ethanol can't be piped lined due to it's more corrosive nature.
Wether you believe in global warming or not (p.s. every major scientist believes it is) we still have a dependency on foreign oil and that is a problem regardless. If you wan't to help get a small car for long commutes and keep the large car for transporting larger goods or several passengers. Nothing says that large car can't be a GTO or Shelby Mustang. Also use public transport when appropriate but depending on where you live that maybe just about impossible. Bikes are good too and they have the added benefit of making people less fat. I reckon you could lose weight by doing what Rush Limbaugh did but replacing a food addiction with a dependency on prescription pain killers while rallying against drug users isn't really the best thing to do. Yeah biking is much better.
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Just leave me the hell alone, people who think you know what's "good" for me.
I'd be a Libertarian, except they have issues, too.
I need to move to the middle of the Australian desert and start riding around in a late-50's Desoto....
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@gabeedwards01:
@X5SoB:
@quayzar:
I understand why Jalop-world is best unpopulated by politics.
I don't argue Ford vs. Chevy, I ask why isn't MOPAR invited to the party?
Long-distance motorcycle lists, mailing lists...y'know, way back in the Internet Middle-Ages, used to specifically state guns, religion, and politics were off-limits for discussion. Understandable, being how quickly things devolve into name-calling and wide-ranging unplesantries.
Gabeedwards01 and srbiff...if you two want to travel to the middle of nowhereland with me, y'all are going to have to live a solid hour drive away. I'm not anti-social...yet...but I'm gettin' there, which is unfortunate.
I like individual people, most times, some are inherently unlikeable, but people, as a species, need another few tens of thousands of years of evolution/education to be tolerable, en masse.
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Giving this guy any airtime without calling him out on his shit is inexcusable.
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This is Jalopnik - like the Masons, we recognize that everyone has their own beliefs, but we are all here because our mutual belief in one god... the automobile.
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I would hit the ALGORE one on purpose, and then hit it again the next time around, and then.....
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Another inconvenient truth for Mr. Gore
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Do as I say, not as I do.
Then ask him this "You are a partner in the venture capital firm of Kleiner-Perkins and a co-founder of the United Kingdom-based investment firm of Generation Investment Management, each of which stands to gain financially from greenhouse gas regulation. Please describe any other financial interests that you have in any other businesses that stand to profit from greenhouse gas regulation?"
And Bill Gates? AIDS actually has killed people and is not hysteria based on "models" which have been inconveniently wrong lately.
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Hell, by watching you all, I thought you right-wingers worshipped rich people. I mean, you repeatedly vote for policies that extract money from working people's pockets and stuff it into the pockets of the super rich. After all, your big crusade these days is to ensure that ordinary Americans pay twice as much for health care as the citizens of civilized countries do, so that insurance company executives can be centi-millionaires and billionaires.
So what's with the cash money envy all of a sudden?
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If I remember the article correctly, his 10,000 sq.ft. mansion uses something like 20x the amount of electricity of the average U.S. household, and every time he flies around in his jet, he pretty much wipes out the total GHG savings that you, I, and anyone reading this blog combined could muster in 5 years.
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@VeeArrrSix: Here's one of my favorite carbon footprint pictures of ALGORE.
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I have problems with Rush Limbaugh but him making money isn't one of them and it shouldn't be for Gore either.
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Granted he hasn't always used a solar panel and his hybrid is a SUV but Al Gore has been advocating on the environment since the '80s and that is more than many have done.
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$5 for 5 laps?
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Try all you want, the goracle will not be stopped! He has the power to herd the sheep.
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I don't get the point of the streamers and ping-pong balls. The car is bright orange. The track is painted colorfully. There is no need to jazz it up for the audience at home.
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clearly, back on the drugs!
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and yes, i got some KIND bud for later tonight, Chong.
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bty, I prefer a Wild Turkey and vicodin cocktail to chase the pain away.
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It just could be that the current government climate has swelled his bank account to something larger than his ego.
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regardless, i don't listen to talk radio, i'm not a retard.
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duuuuuuuuuuWHAT?
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That sounds like the beginning of a really bad joke...
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So, what's the ending?
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Nevermind. Let's not finish that punchline.
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Probably just as well. ;)
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Oh, jeez!